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Alternative Fuels An energy source alternative to using fossil fuels. Materials or substances that can be used as a fuel, other than conventional fuels. Waste oils, vegetable oils or animal fats, which can be used alone, or blended with fossil fuels.

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Most of the time anyway .
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I think you're misinterpreting the photo.......the smoke simply indicates the wind direction to make sure the blades are positioned correctly. Modern technology at its finest..........
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Sooo! thats the MAGIC smoke everyone is always worried about
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Comes at a price. Feds just approved permits to kill up to 4200 eagles with wind turbines (better?). The catch is it is all voluntary reporting.

Good thing the green energy companies are honest, not like the dirty money grubbing fossil fuel industry.

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I've learned from a few firefighters that if a wind turbine catches fire they have to stand back and let it burn.

Basically, the parts that are supposed to turn it off for maintenance are usually what catches fire in the first place. Namely the brakes, and sometimes the hydraulic system for turning it out of the wind.

Since they can't be sure it is powered off and it is impossible to approach safely while it is still turning, all they can do is stand there watching it to make sure it doesn't spread to other things.

Eventually the bearings seize up from the heat burning off all the lubricants, making it stop turning so they can actually get near it to try and put it out. By then the entire top of the tower is good and cooked. Chop it off and install a new one on it.
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That pretty much applies to any power plant though.
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Comes at a price. Feds just approved permits to kill up to 4200 eagles with wind turbans. .
A turban (from Persian دولبند_, dulband; via Middle French turbant) is a type of headwear based on cloth winding.

I doubt a turban will kill many eagles
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Comes at a price. Feds just approved permits to kill up to 4200 eagles with wind turbines (better?). The catch is it is all voluntary reporting.

Good thing the green energy companies are honest, not like the dirty money grubbing fossil fuel industry.
Want to hazard a guess at what the mortality rate is for wildlife on roadways? I'm not saying it is ok to wantonly kill animals, but if we are going to vilify one industry, lets pull the dirty laundry out to air for the rest too.
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I once heard an article on NPR about feral cats in the US, there are millions of them. If each one takes one or two birds a day to survive the numbers are staggering. They stated feral cats were a bigger threat to birds than all others combined.
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"Pipeline Spills 176,000 Gallons of Oil Into Creek 150 Miles From Dakota Access Protests"

Which one is easier to recover from?
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"Pipeline Spills 176,000 Gallons of Oil Into Creek 150 Miles From Dakota Access Protests"

Which one is easier to recover from?
Depends if you are one of the eagles. Unless you are a Hindu or Buddhist eagle, there is no recovery for DEAD.

I am also waiting to see what the cause of that convenient oil spill was.

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I once heard an article on NPR about feral cats in the US, there are millions of them. If each one takes one or two birds a day to survive the numbers are staggering. They stated feral cats were a bigger threat to birds than all others combined.
For the record, I hate cats, so does my dog.

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Want to hazard a guess at what the mortality rate is for wildlife on roadways? I'm not saying it is ok to wantonly kill animals, but if we are going to vilify one industry, lets pull the dirty laundry out to air for the rest too.
A point, however no one is saying roads are green except the people with electric cars. 4200 eagles are a lot of eagles. Especially if you are one of the babies setting in the nest waiting for mom to bring you lunch.

People are screaming about man made global warming. Do they think wind is a zero sum energy source? I do not think anyone has proposed or done a study of the long term global weather effect of taking energy from the wind.
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does anyone really believe that 4200 eagles are going to die because of wind power?
how about the other birdies, don't they count or are they more careful than than our national bird .
wind and solar electric power is here to stay and increasing exponentially every year.
GO PATRIOTS !!
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I wonder how many birds get sucked into jet engines or wapped by helicopter rotors
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Another unintended consequence of wind turbines is the restriction on the freedom of the wind they use.

I think it's terribly unfair to the wind to restrain it like that!

Then, there's hydroelectric power. I could go on and on but think it would be better if I took a nap....... Zzzzzzzzzzzz..........
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Then, there's hydroelectric power. ..........
Hydro is great, it creates places for people to water ski, float party or house boats, and create way more fishing opportunities. With out it Vegas would still be a wide spot in the road if that.

Gosh who does not like to go up to the lake for a family vacation? Wind farm, great vacation opportunity, right up there with a solar farm in the desert?
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Birds and wind turbines:
Have you noticed how slowly those large wind turbines turn?
I think you'd have to be a pretty dumb bird to get hit by one.
Maybe this is the way that "man" improves the average smarts of a whole species.

Sure, the tip speed is high, but you sure can see them going around from a long way off.
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You'd think that'd be the case, but for whatever reason, a lot of birds just don't seem to register the blades as a threat.

Probably the same reason so many animals get hit by cars.
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Radio towers kill a lot of geese too. They often fly at night or in fog and run into the guy wires.
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^ Around here we refer to them as flying rats.
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