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Alternative Fuels An energy source alternative to using fossil fuels. Materials or substances that can be used as a fuel, other than conventional fuels. Waste oils, vegetable oils or animal fats, which can be used alone, or blended with fossil fuels.

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Old 12-17-2016, 05:43:44 PM
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Hydro is great, it creates places for people to water ski, float party or house boats, and create way more fishing opportunities. With out it Vegas would still be a wide spot in the road if that.

Gosh who does not like to go up to the lake for a family vacation? Wind farm, great vacation opportunity, right up there with a solar farm in the desert?
Can be hard on the fish that need to travel upstream to spawn, however. Loss of spawning substrate leads to a decline in natural fish populations. And after the recent thread regarding farmed fish, well......
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Can be hard on the fish that need to travel upstream to spawn, however. Loss of spawning substrate leads to a decline in natural fish populations. And after the recent thread regarding farmed fish, well......
I do not see Dams causing the general decline in Salmon. We were up to our ears in them till the early 80's. Even rivers with no dams have small runs. Last Dam built on the Columbia was filled in '71. If it was the cause of decline, the fish would have slowed down around 75 to 76.

It is either the hormones and chemicals we are flushing down the drain, or over fishing in the ocean, not only for the salmon, but the food fish that mostly get ground up to feed those farm raised fish.

It is simple to blame dams and logging. We stopped logging in the 80's. As I said rivers with no dams have low fish stocks. If it was logging those rivers would have rebuilt by now.

So why no salmon in our rivers? Who knows. It is not just an Oregon problem.
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Here's another perversely amusing way that birds can be taken out by alternative power...

http://www.popsci.com/solar-power-to...porizing-birds
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Maybe we should shut down those damned grain elevators & bread baking facilities too .. after all .. birds are birds & animals are animals ... right ? Why is it ok to kill the mice & rats ? What about the mussels, small fish & other aquatic life that gets sucked into the hydro intakes ? Where will this forking lunacy end ?!
I'm making my cardboard sign now ... & heading out to protest in front of the local bakery !

D-Girl posted this in another thread ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Ri0OmBKgM

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Pigeons are not birds, they are pests. Grain elevators are therefor good.
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theyre trying to put some of these pieces of shit in around us here now. 600ft tall, 300ft bladespan. NO THANKS. the company trying to do it (APEX energy co) tried this in another county south of us and tried to do it quietly without people noticing until leases were already in place. the notices in the local paper were the size of 2 postage stamps side by side and mixed in with other bigger ads. They finally had to do a meeting about it last month and a lot of people showed up while the official from APEX dodged questions about the noise pollution and shadow flicker and only talked about the tax money for the county. keep in mind the setback for these things here is only 1600ft and thats from your front door, not the property line. if you bordered a property with one on it your compensation was about $1,000 a year but the lease holder got something close to $30,000 a year per turbine! these damn things kill your property values and most of the time the energy generated doesnt benefit the local area. theres some about 30 miles north of me that have a feeder line that goes to detroit- nearly 100 miles away! it also raised the local's power bills, so they have to live with these POS's and actually pay more.

they can take these things and shove them up their back door
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