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Old 02-10-2018, 01:32:55 PM
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Iíve just purchased a buffalo Springfield roller . Iím in Ireland and this would be pretty rare over here . In fact Iíve no idea how it got here . Wondering did it get sent to England during the war and end up in Ireland as a result ? The serial or shop no on it is 21840 . Is it possible to identify it from this no ? Iíd love to know the model , year of manufacture and the weight of it . Also the type of engine fitted . It seems to start on gas then possibly switch over to diesel to run ? Any help , information or ideas of where to look would be much appreciated. I will try add a photo , if I can .
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The engine looks like an IH diesel that starts on gas and switches to diesel. The engine should have a tag on it.
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Heins is correct, that is indeed a IHC gas start diesel. And since the head is off, one can assume that it has a issue there? Depending on the size of the roller it's either a 6 or a 9 series of engine.
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Thanks for the info . Iím picking it up tomorrow so I will be able to have a better look at it . Any idea on the age of it ?
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Engine is most likely an International UD6 gas start diesel, same as in the MD and WD6 wheel tractors and the TD6 crawler.

You can determine the year of manufacture of the engine by looking at the casting date code on the block and head. Codes are in the format of MM - DD - Y where:
MM is the month
DD is the day, and
Y is the letter code for the year.

Year codes begin with A = 1931, B = 1932, etc. thru Z = 1954. (For some reason the letter V was skipped, and both U and W were used for 1951)

Example: Date code 5 - 16 - R means the casting was poured on May 16, 1948

If the engine is original to your roller, good chance it was assembled within a few months of the date the block and head were poured.

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Brilliant information there . Thanks . I’m heading off to pick it up now so should know more soon .
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That looks too big for a 6, it looks like a 9 or a 14 to me. That roller looks heavy.
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Measure the bore, easy with the head off...that will tell what engine it is.
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Considerably Newer Than Mine. . .

Interesting to see how much they changed over the years while still maintaining some features.

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Thatís very nice

---------- Post added at 02:29:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:21:22 PM ----------

So got some numbers off mine this evening.
Numbers on the head are
9 23 M
8228DE

While number on the engine seems to be
8290D9

Would that make it an international D9 made in 1943?
Whatís the chance of getting a head gasket for one ? I donít know why it was stripped over 30 years ago . I guess frost crack might be a likely reason? Where would it be prone to crack ? Any info would be great. I guess I coukd really use a manual for the engine and the roller. Any ideas where I might look ? Also any photos of similar rollers would be good . Is there a register of these rollers on file anywhere? Iíd love to know how it got to this part of the world.
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The 9 23 M date code says the casting was poured on Sep 23, 1943. So the engine was likely assembled in very late 1943. And since this is in the middle of WWII, it's likely the engine was installed into your roller not long afterward - assuming of course it is the original engine.

I have no way to decipher the engine number. However since the head is off it'll be easy to measure the bore. If the bore measures 3-7/8" it's a UD6; if 4.4" it's a UD9.

Regarding the head, these engines were prone to head cracking if not properly operated and maintained.

Curious indeed how the roller ended up in your corner of the world - would love to know the story!

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This photo is the shop no which a guy in England tells me dates the roller to 1940 . Apparently the last 2 numbers denote the year of manufacture
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Seems the core plugs in the head have blew . Any one know the model of the engine and roller so I can start searching for manuals? Also a head gasket .
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Can you post a picture of the head and measure the diameter of the cylinder bore? If the head has been off, isn't the cylinders rusted?
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Bore is 3 and 7/8 so that makes it a 6 I guess ? Going to put up a couple of pictures of the head now .
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I would think it would be the same as a TD6, MD IH tractor, and IH may call the engine a UD6. You may need something else before you are ready for a Head gasket. I think you can get parts for that engine.
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Iím hoping itís nothing too major ... do the engine numbers I posted earlier in the thread mean anything to you ? Iíd like to tie it down to a particular model so I could begin searching for a manual .
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The engine should have a tag on, some are on the casting that is bolted to the front of the engine to support the radiator. I could take a picture of one tomorrow.
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