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Old 12-23-2010, 03:27:41 PM
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Default Three Engines, what are they?

And what would be a reasonable price?

These three engines are coming up in a live auction in a couple of days. The only description in the auction catalog is "antique engine" .

Can anyone tell from the photos what they are, and give an idea of what would be a reasonable price to bid.

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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

the first one looks to be a fairbanks z style d, the second, a briggs, and the third look like a economy. good luck at the sale!
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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

#1 is a Fairbanks Morse ZD. $150.00 - $200.00
#2 Briggs type weather it is a Briggs, Lausen, Wisconsen??? $20.00 - $50.00
#3 Economy / Hercules I just sold a couple for $350.00 each and they went straight away so I was a bit low but certainty under $500.00! Good luck
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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

check that, the second kinda looks like a kohler...
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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

I would say #2 is an AEH Wisconsin.

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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

i would say Phil is right look at the cranks on top of the engine those are correct for that model area.
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Hi

Look at the plate bolted to the crankcase behind the magneto (you are looking at the back of the engine). This indicates a base mount magneto. The size of the air cleaner indicates the smaller of this model group (AAH, AEH, AGH etc.) Although the shape of the gas tank indicates a larger and newer engine like the AGN but the AGN doesn’t use a base mount magneto. All of these have the cylinder that bolts to the crankcase.

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Old 12-23-2010, 05:40:27 PM
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3rd is more likely a Hercules given the round decal Economy engines had "Economy" decals.
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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

I would also agree with you on that the square opening on the hopper does not always make it an economy and with the green paint and some gold pinstriping Hercules is the best bet.
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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

The Fairbanks Morse ZD and Typhoon pump in the first photo is a factory setup and should be worth more than just the engine alone. I would think it may approach $400, if two bidders really want to take it home.
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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

I vote AGND on the Wisconsin.
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Default Re: 3 engines, what are they?

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#1 is a Fairbanks Morse ZD. $150.00 - $200.00
#2 Briggs type weather it is a Briggs, Lausen, Wisconsen??? $20.00 - $50.00
#3 Economy / Hercules I just sold a couple for $350.00 each and they went straight away so I was a bit low but certainty under $500.00! Good luck
Well you know how auctions are.

Heading into this auction and how bad I wanted it, Mike is about right on the ZD, I would value the pump at $50-$150. I'll bet this setup will go for around $250.

No comment on the Briggs

About $500 for the Economy / Hercules is about right at auction, if it is all there. If they demonstrate it to run add another $100 or so.

Again this is the auction mentality where anything can happen.
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The Hercules has the new style Webster mag .... not always a good thing.
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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

There are two easy ways to determine if it is an AGN. Unfortunately the picture is not oriented in a way to tell for sure. The AGN didn’t have an inspection cover on the block on the gas tank side and didn’t have a base mount magneto. My AEH parts book shows a fuel tank like the AGN tank was available. I have to old “Brown Cover” parts and service manual.

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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

I'm with Curtis on the middle one. Exhaust screws directly into the block rather than a manifold like the ADH/AEH or AFH/AGH/AHH. Cylinder jug bolts onto the lower end, unlike the AENL. Wouldn't expect it to be crank start though. gas tank also matches AGN,
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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

I had forgotten about the intake & exhaust manifold. You got it I agree it probably is an AGN.

I haven’t ever seen an AGN that wasn’t started using a crank like the ones in the picture.

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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

That is a Hercules logo on #3, but the hopper appears to be a Jaeger. The remaining paint also looks blue rather than green and cement mixer engines had no crank guard. Not sure about the presence of a Webster. What kind of pulley is on it?
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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

Phil -

Almost all the AGN's I have seen were electric start. I guess it it was crank start it would use that same starting crank though.
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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

Ok to solve the mystery on the #3 engine! The fact that they did put hercules decals on economy hoppers is probably true but the only way to tell for shure is to look at the back of the engine and see if you have two holes for a crank gaurd. It is fact that economy engines were not fitted with a crank gaurds. Fact: If it is a jager than you can see two holes on the base on the mag side were it would be taged for an additional tag. I beleve that the new sile webster was on the models F. Matt
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Default Re: Three Engines, what are they?

As far as picture 3 goes, if it is an Economy, Jaeger, Hercules. arco, or whatever you want to call it, they are all for the most part the same engine and value is the same on that style with any of the names. So I guess for the reasons that this post was made I am not sure it really makes a difference. ??
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