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Watthour Meter Collectors?


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Here's that old catalog cut showing the earliest I-20-S with its full metal base (S/N will be below 17,194,000). Note particularly the bolts (all the others of the era used screws that go into standoffs, whether one side was swaged into the baseplate or using screws from both ends).
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A couple more I picked up at the city's annual surplus auction - these were two of the three "antiques" in a whole tub full of failed 'smart' meters. I still need to meet up with the friend who won the pile later on and pick up the third one (a nice big Westinghouse meter that is 240V delta, 200 amps).

The pointer type is a rarely seen variant that could be internally rewired for 120V or 240V service. The cyclometer one is fairly scarce as well, as it is made for 120V 2-wire service, which was practically a special-order item by then (I think I only have one or two out of all my metal-base meters that were built for 120V service).
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The Westinghouse meter I spoke of in the previous post turned out to be in sad shape - not only had it partly filled with water from a storm that passed through the auction site overnight, it was clear it had been taken out of service because of a terminal connection just loose enough to cause it to seriously heat up with a heavy load going through it, causing damage to the terminal block and current coil. I cleaned it up to "static display" condition and sold it.

Here's a more recent picture of my collection. I recently went searching for another 'parts' meter to fix up one of the meters in my collection and wound up finding two more as 'upgrade' replacements condition-wise, so I will have a few extras I'll be posting for sale soon - some in 'static display' condition, some that are potentially usable.
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:30:19 PM
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Here's a jem, Thomson meters of this type rarely seen in pics, let alone available for sale.. hopefully a Stak collector can warrant this to a visible collection.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/273474029946?ul_noapp=true


unfortunately its outside of the ephf.ca mandate
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So that model WAS produced after all!

It never made sense to me that the same person who developed the famous Thomson Recording Wattmeter (I have owned a couple examples over the years) was the same person who developed this... contraption.

What's this "ephf.ca mandate" you speak of?
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Old 10-01-2018, 11:20:07 AM
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The ephf.ca is the website of Edmonton Power Historical Foundation, our mandate is to preserve & restore electric equipment in the province of Alberta. Initial mandate was primarily set to preserving Edmonton's electric utility equipment but was somewhat pigeon holing. Our 1st electric plant was started up in Dec of 1891 & powered an AC street light system. The AC generator was a Thomson Houston powered by a Leonard-Ball engine. There is nearly zero info on pre 1890's AC generation & somewhat similar on revenue meters, the ebay example was rare & unique but not related to what the ephf could purchase because it could not be attributed to an pre 1900 Alberta/NWT electric utility
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I also have a keen interest in early mechanical watt-hour meters and this is quite a early and very rare one from 1898..

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Here's a jem, Thomson meters of this type rarely seen in pics, let alone available for sale.. hopefully a Stak collector can warrant this to a visible collection.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/273474029946?ul_noapp=true


unfortunately its outside of the ephf.ca mandate
This was a very very rare and HUGE MONEY Meter and to bad the seller ended it early as they promised me they would not do. I had offered them a very very large offer for it and never heard back from them.. I have never heard of or seen another one of these in private hands anywhere..
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I have a couple dozen, my favorites being the coin (prepay) ones. I also have a not commonly seen 25c prepay gas meter.
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OttoEngineMan - you lucky duck!

Those Gutmann A meters are VERY tough to find... yours is probably the 5th surviving example I can think of (the others I can think of being in the Itron historical collection, one supposedly in an utility collection, one in Texas, and one in a Columbus-area collection). I know of two major collectors that are still supposedly in the hunt for an example.
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OttoEngineMan - you lucky duck!

Those Gutmann A meters are VERY tough to find... yours is probably the 5th surviving example I can think of (the others I can think of being in the Itron historical collection, one supposedly in an utility collection, one in Texas, and one in a Columbus-area collection). I know of two major collectors that are still supposedly in the hunt for an example.
The one in central ohio belongs to a guy name Mark and a guy recently did find one down in Texas and I know of one other up in Canada to a watt-hour meter collector guy.. They are very rare and extremely desirable too...
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Here is a full page add for the GUTMANN A Meter



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I have tried to meet up with Mark in the past to no avail (the closest was a brief chat, where he told me that day he was too busy for a visit).
I also know the collector in Texas. I think I know of the collector in Canada - out east, correct?

The two still in the hunt for an A are down in the Southwest (he's trying for a 'complete' collection of meters) and on the eastern seaboard (he likes Sangamo meters).

I have a scan of an instruction booklet for the A in my files (I recently sent the photocopy I had off to a collector in PA - I'm sure he could be talked out of it, as he prefers Westinghouse meters).
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I have tried to meet up with Mark in the past to no avail (the closest was a brief chat, where he told me that day he was too busy for a visit).
I also know the collector in Texas. I think I know of the collector in Canada - out east, correct?

The two still in the hunt for an A are down in the Southwest (he's trying for a 'complete' collection of meters) and on the eastern seaboard (he likes Sangamo meters).

I have a scan of an instruction booklet for the A in my files (I recently sent the photocopy I had off to a collector in PA - I'm sure he could be talked out of it, as he prefers Westinghouse meters).
The person in the SW you are thinking of in new mexico that also collects insulators etc..? He also was looking for one but may already have one as I am not sure.. There are some pretty rare meters out there that people are not aware of..
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You are correct re: the collector in the SW - he also collects insulators... I've been out to his place and seen his collections. He managed to find an unusual manufacturer that even I hadn't heard of - Harris. He also has a couple that I am still seeking to round out my metal-base socket type collection (earliest GE I-20-S and the Roller-Smith S3).

I've seen pictures of some of the Scheeffer meters over the years as well, and in fact, I even assembled the information I once had on hand into a site about meters: www.watthourmeters.com
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Here are several more unusual watt-hour meters I have that are very large and extremely heavy..

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Neat! I believe these would be the switchboard version of the Thomson Induction Wattmeter, Form DF-2.
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I have not found out to much about this meter but has similarities to a Shallenberger with the dampening vanes..


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Here's a jem, Thomson meters of this type rarely seen in pics, let alone available for sale.. hopefully a Stak collector can warrant this to a visible collection.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/273474029946?ul_noapp=true


unfortunately its outside of the ephf.ca mandate
It is a USD$40,000.00 meter or more and that is why it got yanked off the bay and ended up in the SW USA..
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