Antique Engines and Old Iron
[Home] - [HELP] - [Forums] - [Library] - [Photo Gallery] - [Groups] - [Classified Ads] - [Subscribe] - [Links] - [Books] - [Sponsors] -

Go Back   SmokStak > SmokStak® Antique Engine Community > Small Air Cooled Gasoline Engines > Wisconsin Engines
Forgot Password? Join Us!

Notices

Wisconsin Engines Single cylinder up to V4 engines.

Wisconsin Engines

Wisconsin Engine MBKND


this thread has 3 replies and has been viewed 576 times

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-30-2018, 11:46:23 AM
crank crank is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Lyons Falls, New York
Posts: 15
Thanks: 14
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Smile Wisconsin Engine MBKND

Don't know much about Wisconsin engines, but have a chance to pick up a couple on engines not running AKND AND MBKND. should I chance it a 50 bucks each. I think the m stands for military? Please let me know what you think.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 10-31-2018, 07:04:41 PM
Zira Zira is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Apex, North Carolina, USA
Posts: 1,700
Thanks: 371
Thanked 468 Times in 356 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine MBKND

From my old web site. Not 100%, but generally right.

What’s in a name?

(or, What do all those letters mean?)

The letters and numbers used to name the Wisconsin engines can seem confusing. This is due in part to the fact that some naming conventions changed over the years. I cannot find any definitive reference that explains the nomenclature, so here is my best attempt to explain the names based on what I have seen. If you have any information or suggestions, please e-mail me.

Single Cylinder Engines – Originally, these all started with the letter “A” (AB, AE, etc). The second letter told the bore – the AA had a 2-1/2” bore, AB 2-3/4”, AK – 2-7/8”, AD – 2-3/4” (but different stroke), AE - 3”, AF – 3-1/4”, AG – 3-1/2”, AH – 3-5/8”. Some motors had a third letter “S” added, to mean “High Speed”, and therefore higher horsepower (AKS). The “S” was later dropped and all the motors were sold as high-speed versions.

A third letter “H” was added to the larger engines (AD, AE, AF, AG, & AH) when the governor was changed to an internal flyweight type – making them AEH, etc. Similarly, when the smaller motors were upgraded for higher compression, a third letter “N” was added – ABN, AKN.

When a new series of motors was introduced in the late 1950’s, they retained the final “N”, presumably because they ran higher compression (ACN, BKN, AEN, AGN). The second letter still indicated the bore of the engine. Note the “B” in BKN – Wisconsin had already used AKN for this size motor. Later, the AEN was again upgraded for faster rpm & higher compression, becoming the AENL (“L” for latest?).

On any of these, the letter “D” might be added to the end, meaning stellite (heavy-duty) exhaust valves and sometimes exhaust valve rotors (AENLD). A leading “M” (MAENLD) meant a military version, with radio-shielded spark plugs and other changes to make it acceptable to the Armed Forces. A trailing M (AEM) meant a marine (boat) version. These typically had a spark arrestor on the carb, a shielded exhaust, and a forward-neutral-reverse transmission. A leading “H” was a vertical-shaft engine (HACN). Motors with a long enough production run had numbers added to signify minor upgrades like dry (paper element) air cleaners and recoil starters (AENL3).

The next round of designs went to a completely different style of names – S-7D, S-8D, S-10D, S-12D, S-14D, TRA-10, etc. The “S” was the standard engine, while the “TR” was an engine set up for use on a tractor (a small tractor, one presumes). There was no difference in the basic engine that I could tell, only in air cleaner set ups, accessories and such. The number indicates the approximate horsepower of the engine (S-7D = 7 hp). The “D” still meant stellite exhaust valves.

Two Cylinder Engines – These engines started with the TE & TF. The “T” meant twin cylinder, the second letter represented the bore (again, “E” meant 3” and “F” meant 3-1/4”). Later, the THD came along, with the same bore & stroke as the TF but with different bearings and different head/jug design in line with the VH4. I can only guess what the “H” stood for – heavy duty, perhaps? Later still came the TJD with the same bore & stroke, but different firing order & almost all different parts. In this case, the “J” seems to simply have been the next letter after “H”. On all four of these models, the “D” meant stellite exhaust valves. These too came in military versions (MTHD) and marine (boat) versions (THM).

In-line Four Cylinder Engines – These all started with the letter “A”. The second letter was the bore size, and was followed by the number 4 (AC4). These too came in a military version (MAC4). Some were built with iron pistons instead of aluminum, and were labeled with a trailing “I” (AC4I). There may have been “D” versions (with stellite exhaust valves) of these as well, I am not sure.

V-4 Engines – All of these engine names start with the letter “V”, representing the cylinder configuration. Early models used the same series of letters to represent the bore as the single cylinder engines did (VE4 had a 3” bore, VF4 had a 3-1/4” bore, etc.). The third character was a 4, for 4-cylinder. The introduction of the engines that replaced the original V4’s but had the same bore resulted in the names VM4, VP4, etc. The middle letters in these seem to be simply a matter of expedience – the new models needed new names, and these letters had not been used in the past (this is purely conjecture on my part). The introduction of overhead valve V4 engines signaled a new series of names, incorporating the letters “V4”, and a number suggesting the horsepower rating of the motor (V461). The trailing “D” again meant stellite exhaust valves, and the leading “M” means military (MVH4D).

What about the “WI” engines? – My understanding is that these were built in Mexico to reduce cost. I do not know if they were built by another company under contract, just re-badged engines from another manufacturer (like the “Robin” engines built by Fuji Heavy Industries and sold as “Wisconsin-Robin”), or if Wisconsin built them. They were not very popular, and are too new to be considered “collectable”, at least by me. I have no idea what the names meant (if anything). If you have some further information on these engines, I would be glad to add it.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Zira For This Post:
  #3  
Old 10-31-2018, 11:22:45 PM
gdstew gdstew is online now
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: New Philadelphia, Ohio, USA
Posts: 969
Thanks: 267
Thanked 540 Times in 352 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine MBKND

Around 1979, Wisconsin was in the middle of a nasty strike. Needing engines, they set up operations in Mexico but they could not make the same ones thus they produced the W series. They were "different" and even had a different system of part numbers. That fall I was at a service school and tore down a new, was still in the box engine. It was full of sand! We opened up 2 more engines, same results. All the engines had to be fixed at Wisconsin's expense, before being sold. Strike ended shortly thereafter.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-04-2019, 02:07:42 PM
boone007 boone007 is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Marysville, Ohio, USA
Posts: 20
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine MBKND

not much risk @that rate I may be interested in engines down the road dan !~
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

F o r u m Jump

Similar Threads Chosen at Random
Thread Thread Starter F o r u m Replies Last Post
Wisconsin T-Head Engine Engine Expert In California?? Sean Keys Antique Gas Engine Discussion 0 02-27-2018 10:20:00 PM
wisconsin mbknd what's it worth zachvinson10 Wisconsin Engines 3 03-16-2014 01:23:59 AM
bolens garden tractor w/ wisconsin mbknd YellowLister Garden Tractors / Mowers / Scooters 5 04-11-2013 11:01:20 AM
30 hp Wisconsin engine farmer24 Wisconsin Engines 2 05-04-2010 10:34:00 PM
Wisconsin Engine Howard (AZ) Antique Engine Archives 2 05-16-2001 11:58:05 AM


Use "Ctrl" mouse wheel to change screen size.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:03:15 AM.

Smokstak and Enginads site search!


All use is subject to our TERMS OF SERVICE
SMOKSTAK® is a Registered Trade Mark - A Community of Antique Engine Enthusiasts
Copyright © 2000 - 2019 by Harry Matthews P.O. Box 5612 - Sarasota, FL 34277