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Here are some more photos.
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Jim,
We need a carburetor but have no idea what it looks like as the few photos of this tractor we have found does not show it. Is there a carburetor for each cylinder? We also need a magneto, and governor. Do you know what make and model magneto came on this tractor?
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I would say 5217 is your engine number since it is found on the crankshaft and on the cam tower. This would make it a later model 20-35. The tractor more than likely used a 2" Kingston dual bowl carb, however they could also be ordered with a single 2" Kingston as well, there is also mention of a Rayfield carb in the parts manual. I have only seen tractors with one carb feeding both ends. As far as mags go, a KW high bar is most common but, the parts book also lists Splitdorf, Remy and Heinze. Plus two different mag drive shafts are listed whether you had CW or CCW rotation. Avery would configure the tractor to best suit the operator's needs, is how Avery would state it in their sales literature.

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Good Morning All,

First off I want to thank all of you who are continuing to help me find out more about the tractor. After 50 years of restoring tractors and engines I feel like a beginner on this tractor as we have never had any like it in our area.

Enclosed are a couple more photos. One of the spark plug. The other shows a steel plate riveted to the frame. It appears this is where the fuel tank was mounted. However the other tractors on the web show the fuel tank and gasoline tank mounted together in a cast iron frame. Is this something that could have been changed in the construction of the tractor?
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I think We may be narrowing things down. With help, photos and agreement from other members I have come to the conclusion, this tractor is a 1912. Attached is a photo from a 1912 Avery catalogue. The 1912 catalogue shows the fuel tank standing on end on the top of the rear portion of the frame. The photo above this reply shows our tractor having the plate where that tank sat. After 1912 I am seeing 2 tanks horizontaly mounted in a cast iron frame.
I believe the 306 is the serial number and I believe the 5217 number on the engine is the Davis engine manufacture serial number.

I am looking for some parts. A radiator, magneto, governor, carburetor, belt pulley. With the mag, governor and carburetor we will be able to make this tractor run again.

Thank you again for all your help and if anything new comes up I will post it here.
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5217 is your Serial Number..It was made in 1915-16 One of the last 20-35's to be made. 306 is the part number for the frame rail. You could get the tractor in gasoline only or gas/kero. Thats why yours has the single tank...Can get you any dems. and photos on the radiator you need..Your tubes should be brass and not copper like all later Avery's Hope this helps..Ed

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Thought I'd share one of the nicest photos of a 20-35 Avery that I've seen. Was lucky to get my hands on this one and scan it in. Looks like it has a plow guide and an Avery "self-lifting" plow behind it. Says "Patent Applied For" on the frame.

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Serial is punched in two places on our 20-35. Front cross member of the frame and on the flywheel casting itself.
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JT is a number stamped in yours, like post 20 picture 4?
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Not sure. I'll have to crawl up there and look after thanksgiving.

There is a number punched into the end of the crankshaft that starts with a 5 but its a pretty light punch and the rest is hard to make out without sanding some paint off.
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After talking with a member from North Dakota on the phone I need to post another photo. This photo is of a number stamped on the flywheel which he believes is the serial number of the tractor. According to the last post here it might be. I am interested in seeing what Mr. Buice's number stamped in the end of the crankshaft is as mine starts with a 5 also.

Thanks again for the continual search to id this tractor.
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Default Re: Avery Tractor Identification

same flywheel two different numbers... most likely be a serial number.
Same flywheels should have same part numbers if the number is a part no. identifier.

---------- Post added at 04:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:19 PM ----------

i should add the IHC tractors had the serial of the engine stamped on crankshaft, cross shafts so the likelyhood of other manufacturers stamping same number twice is high.
The engine number in their case was different to the serial of the frame which was only stamped once.
Does anyone have a production date listing on serials for averys?
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May be a long shot but I have a rayfeild carb in my stuf. Can anyone post a picture of one or a modle number for the one that you need.
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It just dawned on me.........I think there was number stamped somewhere on the timing tower on the 12-25 Avery I had........
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Thank you guys for continued help on identifying this tractor. I am attaching a photo of the whole flywheel to show the part number. Almost every part on this tractor begins with 35. There were a few on the front axil that did not.
The engine number stamped on Mr. Buice's tractor should help to determine also.
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The #459 on the flywheel is a tractor number designation which of course would make it rather early. The engine number 5217 seems to be way later, so something quite possibly has been changed at some point. The tractor looks like it did its fair share of traction work due to the drivers being on backwards, which it seemed that sometimes this was done to wear on the other side of the gearing.

I did some more looking in my parts manual and one thing you could check to possibly closer date the chassis is to look at the upper pivot clamp on the front axle. Before March 1913 they used #3542 and after March 1913 it states the part was #3620.

If you have the bracket for the clutch shifter fork with #3518, they were used on all tractors before #617. After tractor 617, they used bracket #3612.

Bracket #3546 for the reverse idler eccentric was used prior to 1913 and #3611 was used after that.

Hopefully some of this info can help.

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Thank you Matt for the reply. We are going to get the tractor tomorrow and will check these part numbers.

I am really waiting too see what Mr. Buice's engine number is also. That should be our final clue.

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Looks like Davis Engine #5265.
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Thank you Mr. Buice that is what I was waiting to see.

It looks like Davis built 48 engines while Avery was building 12 tractors.

I am not too sure who has the most original tractor the closest to my location, Meriden, Kansas, but I would like to come and take some photos and measurements. I need the dimensions of an original cab, and I need some photos and measurements concerning the governor placement and operation. Also photos of the tractor overall for reference.

It looks like Mr. Buice has an original cab. Was the top of the cab a cloth material or even leather?

Also does any of the existing 20-35 tractors have the fuel tank that sets on end on top of the frame?

One more question are the radiator brackets V shaped or straight like the ones in the picture that Jeff Wahl posted above?

Thank you Mr. Buice for checking on the engine serial number and thank all of you for your efforts in helping me identify our tractor.

I'll post some pictures of getting the tractor home.

Feel free to call or email anytime.

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The engine numbering on the early tractors is obviously different than the later ones, so I learned something today! 20-35 tractor #716 here in North Dakota has engine #H861 in it, so Avery started a new engine number sequence somewhere between tractor 471 and 716 and they didn't start with engine #H1. If they did, that would mean there had to been a bunch of 35HP skid engines built.

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