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KTA M&M Minneapolis Moline Twin City Project


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Default Re: KTA M&M Minneapolis Moline Twin City Project

You know, I just looked again on Tony's site and there was a KT with a shorter tank and a horizontal starting tank at the back , looks like what we have may be early KT tanks because I also saw some KT pictures with the long KTA type tank.
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Russ you are correct. I had a very early Kt that had short tank and horizontal starting tank. Many of them had the banjo air cleaner and brass carburetor. Not sure maybe first couple hundred.
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KTA dual tank 27 inches long. Checked KT #300125 2 Ft long and 12 high and had horizontal starting tank. 12-20 similar in dimensions but alot heavier made.
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Also noticed that on Tony's site there is a picture of a KTA with a MTA tank on it.
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Russ you are correct. I had a very early Kt that had short tank and horizontal starting tank. Many of them had the banjo air cleaner and brass carburetor. Not sure maybe first couple hundred.
I once owned KT #31. The first 70 something had a different rear end housing. There was no flat boss for the throttle and spark levers to set on. Did you ever wonder why the throttle and spark mount has the 1/2 circle cut out on them? It was for the first KT's as it bolted on a boss on the steering column and the circle went around the steering shaft housing. I wonder "why did I sell that tractor to Keller". Then I remember "Oh yes, I was paying for either an Oil Pull or a steam engine". Can't afford to keep them all!
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There were numerous tanks for these machines.
The old twin cam tanks were heavy, had big cast water traps soldered on bottom and used pipe and pipe caps on top for fillers.

Early KT was short tank with horizontal starter on back, but from 1930 on??? we see some different fuel type/sizes and even add-on tank shaped compartments.

A few KTAs appeared with MTA tanks, but to be sure this was repeated in literature more than real production.

MTA seems consistently equipped with the square type tank.

Many late KT and beyond have a fairly large, long oval tank, the bigger one being the most common.
Thanks for posting Russ,
Your brightly colored tractor is going to look great however you choose to outfit it!
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I read up just a little bit on oil filters this morning, need some advice looks like. Is there still somewhere to get a cartridge for the canister or if I still have felt can I reuse it? Don't even have it apart yet.
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I read up just a little bit on oil filters this morning, need some advice looks like. Is there still somewhere to get a cartridge for the canister or if I still have felt can I reuse it? Don't even have it apart yet.
I get mine from Hampel Oil. They carry Baldwin filters which are a top quality filter company.
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Anybody have a part number?
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Well, I tried two sources for a filter and its been almost a month without results. Found my 2006 Baldwin ag filter book and even gave them all the crossover numbers I found. Finally gave up and modified a Farmall F-20 filter, enlarged the hole in the upper end and installed an o-ring on the bottom end. Installed a spring inside the upper end so that when the top nut goes tight it holds the filter down around the o-ring, looks like it should work good.
No pictures right now, lost my camera cord.
Disassembled the radiator, sandblasted the castings , painted and re-assembled it all last week and back on the tractor sunday. Got the entire cooling system cleaned out now.
My first look at the valves was half wrong, the valves are great but the exhaust seats were rusted and pitted badly. I touched them up with my stones, but ended up taking the head in to the shop last Friday for seats. The exhaust valve stems were up at least 3/16" higher than the intakes, could have made it run but plowing in Kansas happens generally during the hottest days of the year, and threshing for us DEFINATELY many times during the hottest weekend of the year.
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I have the NOS filters.
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Another question, what are the decal sizes for the tank and fenders? I haven't found a set available yet, but found different sizes available on the M&M decal.
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Decal size is 8 3/4 X 4 3/8".
The old Style MM-TC decal for you is black, white, red and says "MINNEAPOLIS-MOLINE-TWIN CITY" in the center.
There are cheap decals for a cheap price and there are real good die-cut vinyl for more money...get the good ones...waaaaayyyyy better!!!!!
Check my website under paint & decals and shoot me an e-mail or call. They can come right to your door.

twincitytractors.tripod.com

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Last week I managed to take the radiator apart, cleaned and re-assembled. Having worked on mainly McCormick-Deerings in the past I was pleased to have only one broken bolt to remove. And that only involved welding a nut to the broken bolt, letting it cool and the backing it out. I use cork tape for core gaskets, bought a roll many years ago, sometimes it makes great oil pan gaskets also.
Fuel tank is also painted, it is the short tank from a KT, but was in really good shape as I found it roller chain strapped to a Ford two ton grain truck for an auxiliary gas tank. We were scrapping out that truck and the boss just let me have it rather than sending it to china. Having been used that way actually preserved the tank well inside, had a few dents I had to putty.
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Took the head to a machine shop I never used before with good reviews.
And time passed.....
But, I didn't really need it right away. today I got the call, ten minutes before five on a Friday. ITS DONE!!!! Gonna pick it up tomorrow morning, altogether it cost 40 dollars to grind the valves and 126 to replace four exhaust seats which I thought was fantastic.
I am encouraged.
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Anybody have the valve adjustment specs for the KTA?
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Russ,.015 on the intake, and .020 on the exhaust.. Jim
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Anybody have a closeup picture of the throttle linkage at the carb? I ran into a problem installing it< has a chain from the rod to the carb and just doesn"t look right as the governor linkage gets in the way, I may have to do something different anyway.
I think I answered my own question, looking on the net I found this one and had forgotten that bracket off the carb mounting bolt, that would help things out some I think.
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Hope this helps Russ, took this pic at Rollag when they featured Twin City because my KTA is missing the support bracket for the throttle rod. Jim
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