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KTA M&M Minneapolis Moline Twin City Project


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Here is the pic. Jim
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Yesterday it ran.
I was actually painting the fenders and hadn't planned on starting it yet. But a friend came by and derailed a task I was going to take care of, it was getting late yesterday so I decided to put some fluids in and belt it up. It ran very well, but hasn't been run long enough to break it in yet. Afterwords it doesn't start REAL easily on the crank yet, but it does start. It seems easy to flood and starts without any choke. I need to run it long enough to do some adjusting. Had some water leaks, I think most of them are easily cured, had to pack the water pump which for some dumb reason I thought looked like it hadn't leaked before so I didn't address it. It POURED out and when I packed it it didn't act like it had much of any packing in it at all. Good oil pressure, no oil leaks yet, no fuel leaks yet.
I also had a chance to work on another KTA this weekend, I found some crap in the water pump that I thought mice deposited there but now i'm sure that this was water pump packing that pushed through into the impeller area.
Can this happen or is something very wrong with that casting?
Also, my governor linkage is open and the other KTA I worked on is covered, did mine have a cover originally?

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To the best of my knowledge the open style is correct for the tractor, and the enclosed type (with cast iron body) would have been a replacement from an early U.
My 1935 KTA has an enclosed governor. Could you post a picture of your carb and governor setup? I am curious which side of the carb the throttle and governor linkage are fixed to.
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Tje governor is open on my KTA as well as my FT. But I have a replacement governor for both which are enclosed. The enclosed ones are a throttling governor. I've been told y he governor from a MM U will fit the KTA. Changes the way the throttle works on the KTA just like changing to a throttling governor on a 15-30 McCormick Deering. Jim
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Couple of my parts KTA ones have U governors.
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Jeff, some pictures. I disassembled and cleaned the mag, had good spark and decided to use it but i'm thinking about rebuilding another one that has the advance/retard lever. I found out something during this process, these later model Bosch magnetos have the inner workings on the points cam and impulse to change from anti-clockwise to clockwise use, for an economy mag this would work good on such applications as the anti-clockwise 17-28 Twin City I suspect.
Also, last night I tried it and it started pretty well without any choke and the throttle open. Something must be a hair rich.
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Uh.........I did something for financial and time reasons that may not be the best plan, but.....
It will be fine for this summer, my fenders needed EXTENSIVE repairs, the picture doesn't show but they really needed replaced.
I wish Bob in MI was Bob in Kansas.
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You know, its kinda funny, I mixed this paint myself to kind of match the color under the belly of the tractor that I removed some grease from. Added some early Allis orange to some Cat yellow, I thought it was WAYYY too orange looking at it inside the paint booth but I see when the camera flash hits it it looks more bright yellow.
Maybe its my eyeballs and my brain screen.
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Got some more painting and assembly done this weekend, still have to paint underneath. Fenders are installed but I still need to put on the z-clips to the final drives. Water leaks are fixed and it really wants to start pretty good now. I did notice at open throttle it surges, didn't seem to correct with the load adjustment screw. any suggestions? I know the manifold baffle changing fron cold to hot is rotted out so the carb neck sweats a bit. Moved it out of the shed for a couple of days but my camera doesn't like direct sunlight anymore for some reason.
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The 10-20 McCormick Deering rear wheel hubs are exactly 3 3/8" wider than the factory KTA hubs, I have seen where there are a few other tractors with these wheels installed but I don't trust the way these were. The outer Minnie cast retainer was used, but all else that was done was using a longer bolt to hold the wheel on. This left a void from the end of the axle to the retainer and actually cracked one of the retainers pretty badly.
I found some used Cummins wrist pins at work that were EXACTLY 3 3/8" long, 2 1/2" outside diameter and with a one inch ID. We turned 1 3/8" of one end down to 2 1/4" OD to fit inside of the remaining splines on the outer ID of the hub, then reused the 6" bolt to hold it together. That way the cast retainer is tight against the end of the axle. I still have to come up with a way to pin the retainer from turning, a lock washer may then hold the bolt.
Last night I went to a friends' place, he has a KTA parts tractor out in the trees and he gave me an uncracked retainer.
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This is how it installs, I may have to tap a hole or two in the hub and notch the retainer to keep it from turning, the retainer has some raised spots originally that sit in the hub splines keeping them from turning.
I am still planning on getting some original rears in the future, even welding up cutouts. But this will get us by in the meantime, and the IH wheels will still be usefull.
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Throttle linkage and U governor.











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I saw that "Waterloo" KTA sell at auction years ago, and saw it again, a few years later restored as pictured above. My KTA is a 1935, and it too had the early Prairie Gold over top of the Grey. I have a hunch that it was the dealers applying the Prairie Gold to the grey tractors as a way to brighten them up while sitting on the lot beside the newer models.
Hi: Wow was I surprised to come across a picture of our KTA on here. Did you happen to this tractor at the Cookstown show in 2009? It's our KTA Waterloo. We finished the restoration and paint on this tractor and the third owner of this tractor (friend of ours and my brother) done the initial restoration before it got sold to a guy in Stratford where it sat for 10yrs in the weeds. This gentleman and my brother had done his research and apparently the KTA Waterloo was one of the first of the Prairie Gold colour and most were shipped out to the Prairie provinces. I believe it was one of 350 made with the Waterloo? The son of the second owner in Milton remembers pulling stumps with this KTA and I have pictures of him on it again after we finished it... Which was really cool... We are proud of our KTA

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Nice restoration... We are the ones that own the KTA Waterloo that you posted on your thread..
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Hi: Wow was I surprised to come across a picture of our KTA on here. Did you happen to this tractor at the Cookstown show in 2009? It's our KTA Waterloo. We finished the restoration and paint on this tractor and the third owner of this tractor (friend of ours and my brother) done the initial restoration before it got sold to a guy in Stratford where it sat for 10yrs in the weeds. This gentleman and my brother had done his research and apparently the KTA Waterloo was one of the first of the Prairie Gold colour and most were shipped out to the Prairie provinces. I believe it was one of 350 made with the Waterloo? The son of the second owner in Milton remembers pulling stumps with this KTA and I have pictures of him on it again after we finished it... Which was really cool... We are proud of our KTA

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Nice restoration... We are the ones that own the KTA Waterloo that you posted on your thread..
That picture came off the internet looking up kta images. Very nice tractor.
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Knew of KTA Waterloo that was north of Brandon Mb. Think it went south. Was another KTA on steel went to Russell On
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Thats cool... we seen one a few years back at auction in Michigan as well.. you don't see them often at all.
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Default Re: KTA M&M Minneapolis Moline Twin City Project

Frustration set in yesterday when the water pump started leaking for the third time, I went to pack it again and it still leaks some. I know ill have to take it apart and check the shaft but I wondered if the M&M experienced on here could give me some advice. Ive been using graphite packing that may be a little small but i'm not sure. I forgot to measure it but its at least 1/4", was considering putting in some Teflon packing this evening. Iv'e packed it so many times now that the threads are concerning me now, has good threads about 1/4" in to all the way turned in.
Im running out of time as the show is three weeks away now, should be working on threshing machines.
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How badly does yours leak? I have the exact same issue with my KTA. I too have been using 1/4" Graphite packing. My KTA develops a steady drip soon after start up. The drops catch on the rotating shaft and get spit out a few feet beside the tractor. Generally, a very slight turn of the packing nut stops it.

I have yet to tear into my water pump but I am guessing the shaft is worn or pitted, although it doesn't look that bad when I back the packing nut out.
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Shafts worn or rotted out. Mike Tessman in TX has new ones.
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A friend told me about some Teflon packing that he picked up at a local mom and pop plumbing shop, it is 5/16" square, looks like it is braided rope completely molded into a square with white Teflon.
I got some, dug out all the packing I put in, put in one ring of this with the ends cut at an angle to lap over and it still dripped a bit. Cut another ring lengthwise so it would be 5/16" x 5/32" and put that in with the other, lapped in a different spot and it quit.
Started seeping a lil bit and a tightening stopped it completely, so far so good. And the packing nut actually has some room to tighten more, just a little bit. I hope this will get me by for the show, then we may have to replace the shaft.
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