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International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water


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Default International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

"An International Harvester aircraft tug can be seen as clear as day onboard the USS Hornet, which was sunk nearly 77 years ago. The wreckage was located late last month by the late Paul Allen's R/V Petrel expeditionary team. (R/V Petrel)"



https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...low-the-waves/

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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

thanks, i looked 4 a previous post about the find.... urs didn't show up. didn't mean 2 jump ur post.
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

Great picture! 3 miles underwater you would think the pressure would collapse the tires?? It almost looks like you could start it up and drive it away!!
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That's amazing
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

I am surprised how well the decals have held up on that tractor under water.Has their been any attempt to rescue the tractor? as i am shure it could be saved
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

Front tiers are probably solid rubber -- back one appears to be off the rim . Pressure would break the bead and then the water would rush in inflating it hydraulically. We cant really see the bottom or the flat part.
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

Three miles is quite a lot. I would venture to say 5525 ft based on the reading displayed on the left side of the picture. Unless that is a pressure reading but at 3 miles down the pressure would be 6600 psi!
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

Beautiful photo. 15,525 perhaps.
Wow.
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

The ship is a tomb, so I doubt much will get salvaged from it. In one of the videos on the news, I saw there was at least two of the tractors, parked nose to tail on the deck. The picture in this thread is the clearest one I have seen.
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That picture is simply remarkable. Like going back in time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBBzYyywiI0
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

17,330 feet = 7512.81 psi

I'm amazed at the condition of the decal myself!

No, the tractor or any other artifacts will not be salvaged. Aside from the massive logistics and cost involved, as previously mentioned the wreck is a protected war grave (140 of her crew of 2,200 went down with the ship).

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The air cleaner top must have come off from the force of the water when it sank ? as i see it is missing from the tractor in the picture
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

As a war grave, it should be left alone.
The tractor is a remarkable sight.
There are some web sites that discuss the effect of salt water on metals. Even if you got the tractor up, it would maybe have to be kept in a fresh water bath for a long period to leach the salt out of the pores of all the metal.
I have seen items retrieved from sea water. Cast iron is badly attacked and seems to pop apart from the salt that was absorbed in the more porous castings.
There have been some steam traction engines "rescued" from fresh water lakes. Some of them should have been left where they were. Other than a curiosity, they can be pretty tough.
It seems that in both fresh and salt water, greater depth can be your friend.
Perhaps others will know a lot more about this.
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140 men still on duty at there ststions
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Is that tracktor basically a w4
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

That's incredible how well the tractor has maintained itself. It's amazing that the decals are all on it.
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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

G Willikers

To briefly (we're skipping over a helluva lot of stuff and generalizing) sum up a semester of Museum Conservation studies – the things working for you are; low levels of oxygen, lack of current, lack of marine life, extreme ph levels, lack of sunlight, cool temperature, in-accessibility. Find the magic combo of these factors and what ever you put down there (including biological material - read bodies) will theoretically last almost indefinitely.

EXCEPT - In salt water, you can’t fight galvanic corrosion and self sustaining oxidization triggered by galvanic action.

Low oxygen levels – reduced corrosion, lack of marine life.

Lack of current – reduced marine life/microbial bacteria, reduced oxygen, reduced hydraulic damage.

Lack of marine life – reduced consumption of biological material, material damaged caused by: microbes, encrustation, physical damage, ect.

Extreme ph levels – either on the acid or base side – kills marine life/microbes/bacteria, reduces oxygen, acid side preserves wood and biological material/ base side preserves metal and biological material.

Lack of sunlight – prevents sustainable complex biologic ecosystem growth on a large scale

Temperature – the colder the water, the less oxygen, reduced decay.

In-accessibility – You can’t pillage what you can’t get to or can’t afford to get to with anything beyond a camera.

Off topic, but the recently discovered wreck of the USS Indianapolis is in a spectacular state of preservation due to many of the above conditions - it looks like it sank only a few weeks ago as opposed to having been underwater for 74 years.









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Default Re: International Harvester aircraft tug on deck of USS Hornet, 3 miles under water

I am not saying we should go pillage every ship wreck or whatever.But I can't see it being any different than the digging up of ancient indian graves or King Tuts tomb.Just as wrong.
I would think bringing something to the surface to a museum so that family could visit and see something solid would be good for the familys. Similar to a tombstone.Not many folks can float out there in a ship and see it for them selves.
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