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Default Re: 25-45 Case Cross Mount Manifold

Just to bring this back to the top again. There still is a need for a suitable replacement manifold for these big Case tractors. The price that has been mentioned above seems to be the deal killer on the project. What if one of the fabrication shops could come up with a built up welded steel look alike, would there be any improvement in the cost factor? I think if the price could be kept to under $1000. there would be a market. We made up a steel welded unit for one of our early large gas tractors 30 years back and have had no issues with it's performance or longevity so far. It is less than pretty but a more meticulous builder could easily cure that, I wasn't that particular at the time just wanted to get it running. What if the thing was sold as a kit form only where the loose parts are made up and shipped that way and the thing welded up by the final purchaser, if the assembly cost were too much? Most of us this deep in the situation have the necessary welding talents or know some one who does. Just thinking out loud. F.J.W.
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Default Re: 25-45 Case Cross Mount Manifold

While on a farmstead cleanup I came across a small pile of random 18-32 Case crossmotor parts that included several heads with one having a straight gas manifold assembly on it. Not being a crossmotor expert I don't know if it was factory or aftermarket but I do know that is was a much simpler casting then the complicated kerosene set up. I sold it a few years back and unfortunately did not take any pictures of it. It does seem senseless to spend alot of money on a repo manifold whose original design was not much good to start with and put it on a tractor that kerosene will never be used in. But then I'm not a purist in the tractor hobby.
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Default Re: 25-45 Case Cross Mount Manifold

There are two threads on this which should be merged.

I believe that this link led to a supplier several years ago, but not shown now, The price was HIGH!

http://www.geldof-tractors.com/parts_sale.cfm?type_Id=3
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Default Re: 25-45 Case Cross Mount Manifold

Just to bring the subject back up....anyone hear of anything on the 22-40 and 2545 case crossmotor manifolds? Hard to believe that with the all the tractors out there wouldn't be a demand considering the faulty design of those manifolds.
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Apparently there's a demand, just the expense is nearly the value of the tractor?
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Thats kinda what I gather but something just doesn't add up at that rate. A new manifold for an 18-32 is $1800 and literally the only difference is it's just smaller. There are definitely fewer of the 25-45 than the 18-32 I realize. I am not a machinist by any means so I guess I don't know what all goes into making something like that. It is frustrating but whatcha gonna do? I did chat with the guy at Geldoffs overseas that had them for 4800 EUR which is over $5000 but that seems way to high specially after $900 in shipping. Sooo just have to wait n see.
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The out of pocket cost to get set up to do it is quite expensive. First you need to have suitable patterns made, then you need a foundry to pour them. A single pour for one set would be pricey, so it's cheaper per set if you can do many sets but still a large investment of money. Then you have to machine the castings and get them sold. It all involves a considerable commitment, the sets for the others that are available have a dedicated supplier footing that start up cost. That's the outfit that we should be trying to get involved to pull it off.
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Agreed!! I Guess for a place with the capability it all comes down to getting the price reasonable so enough people would commit. Whatever that price is for everyone in the market is definitely up for speculation lol
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Default Re: 25-45 Case Cross Mount Manifold

A couple of things to look into.

If the casting cost is too high look into fabricating one. We made a completely cooled Rumely 30-60 S head this way.

Contact some local colleges or high schools to see if they could 3d print you the pattern and core required.
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Has anyone called Rosewood Machine & Tool lately? Perhaps they still have the patterns and will let them out? It can't hurt to ask.
There was at least one of those tractors around here with a Rosewood manifold. The manifold was not cheap 20+ years ago, but it made a good tractor out of that one.
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I wasn't aware that Rosewood had any patterns for this model? The fellow from Indy that had some incomplete patterns is no longer doing any pouring and his health has gone bad last I heard, did he send those patterns out? BTW, the 22-40 and the 25-45 are different manifolds, the later one is much more elaborate and delicate.
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Sorry, I thought it was Rosewood which did them.
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No.. Rosewood has never done that manifold. The are doing the exhaust whistle for them though.

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I wasn't aware that Rosewood had any patterns for this model? The fellow from Indy that had some incomplete patterns is no longer doing any pouring and his health has gone bad last I heard, did he send those patterns out? BTW, the 22-40 and the 25-45 are different manifolds, the later one is much more elaborate and delicate.
They do have one part in common and that's the center horizontal piece. But yeah that would be the only piece to crossover. Either manifold would work on either tractor though.

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Thanks everyone for discussing this matter. Hopefully enough people enter in on the discussion to keep the idea alive.
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This situation is almost the same amount of BS as the Cat sixty manifolds over on ACMOC (except those eventually got made) I don't understand why Charlie won't loan or the sell the patterns or produce manifolds. Why does he even need the pattern if he's already made manifolds for his project 10 years ago. I don't understand some people's logic.

Edit: sorry to hear Charlie is in bad health. I thought he had cast some sets in the past, so wouldn't the patterns be complete?
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This situation is almost the same amount of BS as the Cat sixty manifolds over on ACMOC (except those eventually got made) I don't understand why Charlie won't loan or the sell the patterns or produce manifolds. Why does he even need the pattern if he's already made manifolds for his project 10 years ago. I don't understand some people's logic.

Edit: sorry to hear Charlie is in bad health. I thought he had cast some sets in the past, so wouldn't the patterns be complete?
Nice...how much does a sixty manifold set a person back?
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They don't have the final price posted yet. But apparently they're like 1850 a piece just to cast. Not sure how much machine work will go into them. They are having rosewood do the work but they own the pattern. I think of enough guys were interested and put up the money and got the patterns to rosewood this could be done.
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So would just need to find pattern for a 22-40 and/or 25-45 xmotor and get a list of people willing to fork up money for quite possibly. the most expensive manifold in history ..... sounds simple enough lol
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I had heard about Charlie Simpson providing a manifold pattern to John at Can Do Foundry. I asked John about it two years ago and he showed it to me. It is a pattern for a conventional type manifold, maybe an in line four cylinder.
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That's disheartening. We need all the avenues we can get.
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