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I'm lookin to get this motor appraised and identified any help greatly appreciated


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Old 11-25-2016, 11:35:14 AM
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The fact that he left after 6 posts makes me a bit uncomfortable too.

We live in a throw-away, profit no matter who gets hurt (except the one making the profit), greed driven world, and it's going downhill even faster today. People forget things like corporate responsibility, looking out for others, and that the bottom line isn't everything.

I'm finding that in a sense, I live in another world. How many people would rather repair a car that has been very reliable than get rid of it and go deeply into debt for something new and fancy, even if it's not as reliable? People are so driven by appearance that they don't see the often horrific ugliness that exists beneath a smooth, polished surface - and don't even think of asking them to look. How many people would stop and ask someone who is sitting on the ground with their head in their hands, if they're OK? People are so wrapped up in their own little selves that they won't take the time to look at the person next to them to make sure that person isn't in some sort of dire trouble! (Or worse, as I've seen many times and researched - blame them for their suffering!!!)

"No man (one) is an island" is true. You hurt someone with greed, that pain will spread like a ripple. A small ripple to one person might be a tidal wave to another - and sink them.

The thing that gets me is that it is passed on and taught from early childhood through young adult. People don't even think to stop and consider that, for instance, that motor that was cherished by a forebear might someday be worth something to them... but they were looking for maximum $$$ and didn't even begin to think about the ramifications.

People are loosing the ability to think for themselves - they're just pushed to believe and obey (and look out for "number 1").
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So many haters. What is this hobby (or world) coming too? I have been around the hobby for over 50 years and have always thought this was the greatest hobby with the best people. With a thread like this I'm not so sure.
I agree.. I think some people are assuming that model might have been the grandfathers most cherished possession. Maybe it was or maybe it was just something setting on a shelf he didn't really care about. Regardless its just an object, we can love it but it can't love anyone in return..

If had an old lamp that was my great-grandfather's and I posted a similar question on an old lamp site I sure wouldn't be impressed with the results. I'd be thinking that hobby must be made up of grumpy old men.
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The fact that he left after 6 posts makes me a bit uncomfortable too.
For the record, the 6th post was an offer to buy the engine. Maybe it has a new owner??
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For the record, the 6th post was an offer to buy the engine. Maybe it has a new owner??
Maybe. I just hope it wasn't a wheeler-dealer who will turn around and try to sell it for 10 times what he or she paid for it (I didn't see who made the offer and don't know the person from Adam, so I'm speaking in generalities). If someone got it, I hope it was someone who actually wanted it and was not just after profit.

I've seen those types too many times and been badly burned by them. Indeed, I'm not active on amateur radio even though I've had my Extra for over 16 years, because of those types.

Oh, and to another comment I would suggest that the condition and appearance of the motor suggested that it was cherished by the previous owner. Maybe it was just kept as shelf decoration, but... I don't think so.
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So many haters. What is this hobby (or world) coming too? I have been around the hobby for over 50 years and have always thought this was the greatest hobby with the best people. With a thread like this I'm not so sure.
For the Record.

IF the original post had been worded differently with no mention of wanting to sell something he was given by his Great Grandfather, I would have welcomed him with open arms to SmokStak and to the wonderful world of engine collecting and I would have highly suggested that he find some local shows to attend and learn more about his engine and how to run it and care for it (and all the good friends he'd make along the way) Just as I have done with numerous others with their posts in the meet and greet forum when they first sign on.

I Also Apologized in my original post for "Being So Blunt" with my reply, but that it had struck a nerve with me that he wanted to dispose of something his Great Grandfather apparently Chose Him to care for.

I didn't even think about the possibilities that Harry has since brought up that it might be a scam looking for a quick buck on something they don't even have. And I'm still trying NOT to think along those lines and give the guy the benefit of the doubt on that while still being bothered by the fact that IF it is true, he was given a beautiful engine model by his Great Grandfather presumably to be kept and cherished as a family heirloom and he then searches through the Internet to find this website for the sole purpose of getting rid of what he was entrusted with. That just doesn't sit well with me.

I worked Long and Hard to earn the money to Buy Back a few of Dad and Grandpa's engines and other items that they had sold off earlier instead of passing down through the family and I cherish them as well as the few things that were passed along to me by my Grandpa that were his grandparents before that. THOSE things will be with me till the day I die while other things changed hands decades ago going to other collections just the same as many of the things I own have come from others.

I have no problem with selling things. . . Just with selling Family Heirlooms that have been passed down (until there is no-one left to pass them down to)

If that's considered being a Hater, then I guess I'm a God Damned Hater. (with a Passion)

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From now on everyone please be P.C. when asking questions! I still dont think he was out of line. It is his to sell! And just where else was he going to get any old engine info? THIS IS IT and easyist to find! Evidently it was given to him to do what he wanted.Being he is the great grand kid maybe in collage or just starting a family. I hope if he sold it he got affair price. I wonder just how many response's he read. He may have not read any unless he logged off and then back on and even then he wouldnt have read more then 5. I just did a little test. I logged into this thread at 2:05, stayed on here till 2:30 no new posts. Checked other forum came back and 2 new posts between 2:10&2:20. So if you dont log out of a thread, new post's dont load. Bob
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So if you dont log out of a thread, new post's dont load. Bob
Or hit the little circle arrow in the upper left hand corner and refresh.
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It's getting to the point........We may need a GROAN Button in this thread. It is his to do what he wants with........but I Really Don't care.........Some people seem to have to keep harping on the same opinion over & over again. Why not just say it one time & move on ?
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I gotta say this thread has become quite entertaining! Never ever thought it would be three pages long! But thats the beauty of Democracy, we all have our own opinion and our own views of what is right, wrong, good, bad and everything in between, and can voice our own opinion. I run into, and have to deal with different people's attitudes every day, and I have learned over the years as I get older, whether we agree or not that's OK, for the most part. There are those that are just flat out back stabbing meatwhistles and egotistical jerks that I will not tolerate. I have met a lot of friends in this hobby, and had a lot of good times. And yes there are people who I don't agree with or vise versa. But remember one thing.....life goes on! Let's enjoy the hobby we have!
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I'm laying here so sick I can barely breathe but I'll share a few thoughts on the subject. I've built small gasoline engines and did so to the best of my ability. I've built two..one for each child I have. I treasure them keeping them in my room inside my home. Who knows if my children will treasure them? Nobody knows and when I'm dead it won't make a hill of beans difference.

I have a octagonal wrecking bar about six feet long made by my Great Great Grandfather. I took my letter set and stamped in all I knew about the bar..Used for aligning the threshing machines. It has every name from my G G Grandfather to my son's name stamped into it. It also says..Family bar..Never sell. What is the worth of this bar? To me priceless. To the next caretaker who knows?

I have the tools of five generations of Bowman's..Pennsylvania to Indiana to North Dakota to California. I have the wood stove bought new in Alabama when Great Grandpa moved there to see if a "trade" of ranches would work out. It didn't but the stove came home and sits here beside me. I remember my Grandfather almost died from yellow fever in Old Alabama. The stove and tools are a constant reminder of my Fathers and their struggles to live and raise families in new places.

And I remember the newborn and young children buried beneath the Indiana sun. The Brethren church migrating to California and the new life started in hope and faith. I remember the ranch being lost because people in the land bank wanted it..money to plant but no money to harvest. Great Grandfather used a Cat and pulled the house off that ranch five miles down the highway at night...to save what he could. We rebuilt. We had children. Old folks died and new ones took their place.

Only a few things survived. I have those things. The family Bible dating back to 1740..German. Bowman spelled Bauman. Water stained because it was buried at one time hiding it from the Catholic church. All these things priceless to me.

Thousands of hours spent with my parents and grandparents talking about these things. I got it in my head and heart. I treasure these things because they were handed down to me carrying with them a legacy of my family.

I also treasure the lost legacy's of other family's. I don't know why really except I think it a shame to lose family legacy. So many of the things we talk about on Harry's have such a legacy. What a gift to know the legacy passed down through old engines! They made such a difference in their lives..our lives. Thus we move forward and those of us who understand treasure the DIFFERENCES these things made to their lives and to ours.

How many of our heirs will understand? Things like memory are lost through time. I've seen it in our own hobby. I've sold wonderful engines with wonderful history's and forty years later changing hands several times..the current owners of these engines haven't a clue to their original history and family legacy.

You have to be a very special person to UNDERSTAND what I have written here. I think a "break"occurs eventually in every family. Down sizing,fewer kids, poverty, the new age, technology...a million reasons why a break happens and everything stops. The family stories become fairy tales. Things no longer have any significance in the modern world. The "break" continues and oh! How much we have lost!

So while living we give such family treasures to those whom we think understand. To those who see beyond dollar signs. To those who UNDERSTAND the attached legacy and reason for preservation.

After I'm dead it doesn't matter anymore. But while alive I try to pass along this understanding to my children. I try to pass it along to you. All these things exist beside me to remind me they are part of who I am..who we are. The long gentle bend in the old wrecking bar was put there by the backs of my ancestors. I too put my own strength into its wrought iron and it carries my history as well. Will my children add to its bend? Only time will tell.

But it's ok for the break to happen. It is a choice based on a persons understanding. Someday all these things I treasure will be gone just as I'm gone. I certainly cannot bring them with me to where I'm going. I only hope they end up with somebody who has my heart and understanding of what they are and what they mean in terms of a legacy.

Like Judge said..lots of variables and different reasons things come up for sale. If no legacy is involved it's worth whatever somebody will pay. But if you know its history..and it is YOUR history..then you have an obligation to find a new owner who will appreciate it and treasure it as much as you do.

Got it? I'm not so sure I've even "got it". Some things are better gifted then sold. Yes. The gift of a legacy.
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