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Unkown Single Cylinder Motor Maker (motorcycle pre Harley?


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Old 11-05-2019, 10:17:02 PM
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I found this in an old barn. It's not seized, it looks like its missing something but I'm not too familiar with it. Wondering if it's possibly even a marine engine. I'm not too familiar with it I do know it will turn over and has compression, beyond that, I don't know. I thought it was a de Dion Bouton replica, but I'm not sure as there weren't any casting imprints on it and nothing stamped that I could find.
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Looks like the magneto and flywheel are missing. Nice find.
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Looks like the magneto and flywheel are missing. Nice find.
in the fourth picture is the magneto the thing in the center above the shaft thinking that a wire connecting it to plug on top but like i said im not sure
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Default Re: unkown motor maker single cylinder(motorcycle pre harley) ?

Give us a better picture of the carburetor, name and any patent numbers would help to identify your engine.

From where the fuel intake is located on the engine this must be a four stroke. If there a visible intake valve.

I don't see a flywheel.
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i will post a better picture when i get back to it in maine im flying in the 9th so will be next week this whole moving thing is a real pain
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I posted a reply on your other forum request. i think your engine is a Lindsay Air compressor engine. The cylinder and carb were made by Merkle of motorcycle fame. The flywheel would have been between the compressor and the engine. It was a steel disc about 1" thick and about 10" in diameter. These compressors were built around 1912 or so.
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I have no idea what make or model your engine is, but I do not think your engine is a Merkel or anything Lindsay. The Merkel engines used on Lindsay compressors were overhead valve and had a completely different crankcase and cylinder than what your engine has. Your engine looks too small to have had enough power for even an early motorcycle, but it could be a motor wheel engine for a bicycle. The clam-shell/dry sump design looks very similar to the early Rudge engines, but what looks like a single push rod, atmospheric valve setup is throwing me off. Very unusual intriguing little engine. Hopefully someone can identify it.

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I have no idea what make or model your engine is, but I do not think your engine is a Merkel or anything Lindsay. The Merkel engines used on Lindsay compressors were overhead valve and had a completely different crankcase and cylinder than what your engine has. Your engine looks too small to have had enough power for even an early motorcycle, but it could be a motor wheel engine for a bicycle. The clam-shell/dry sump design looks very similar to the early Rudge engines, but what looks like a single push rod, atmospheric valve setup is throwing me off. Very unusual intriguing little engine. Hopefully someone can identify it.

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The Merkel engine has the cylinder bolted to the crankcase using short bolts instead of the longer ones seen on the unidentified engine.

I hope the OP is able to find and post patent numbers.

Below is the Merkel.

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I posted a reply on your other forum request. i think your engine is a Lindsay Air compressor engine. The cylinder and carb were made by Merkle of motorcycle fame. The flywheel would have been between the compressor and the engine. It was a steel disc about 1" thick and about 10" in diameter. These compressors were built around 1912 or so.
I agree with the others that it’s not a Merkel engine from a Lindsay compressor. The Merkel Lindsay compressors were also not being built in 1912. They were built in the 1920s. I have factory documentation for one of my compressors dating it to 1929.
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Looks like the magneto and flywheel are missing. Nice find.
The flywheels are inside the crankcase and this engine likely never had a magneto, but rather a simple timer for battery ignition.
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