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1910 IHC Model F Roadster Restoration


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The plywood was actually made on the form, by gluing layers of veneer and alternating the way the grain runs. The molding was made exactly the same way it was done back in the day. The molding was actually carved to the size and shape needed from a solid board. Oliver did speed up the process by doing it on his CNC Router.

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Today's post will show more of the car coming together.

Picture 0051 Shows the primed body sitting in place on the frame. As far as I can find out all of these cars were painted the same Wine ( Maroon ) body with bright red frame and wheels. Since the body will be maroon that is the reason for such a dark primer. When the finish paint is applied all the molding will be high lighted with Black which was a custom back in the day. I have not decided what color the pin striping will be, but I'm leaning toward the same Red as used on the frame along with black on the body and the maroon along with Black on the frame. The pin stripper will probably have the final
say, since he has many years experience with this sort of thing.

Picture 0052 Rear View

Picture 0053 Right side.

Picture 0063 Starting to fit up the new fenders.

The whole car needs to be fit together and then taken back apart for final paint.

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More pictures of the car project.

Picture 0060 shows fitting the windshield. Currently only 1 of the 7 cars that are left has a windshield. Careful measurements
were taken, but when we installed the windshield on my car I didn't like it. It was to short to make driving comfortable. The top of the windshield was about 2 inches to low and it blocked your field of vision. After many phone calls to people in the car restoration game, I sold the windshield pictured to another collector and started over and built another one 2 inches taller.
I hope I never have to build another windshield frame they are a complete pain in the Butt.

Picture 0060 Shows me in the car looking over the progress so far.

Picture 0061 Shows me and Greg Tocket discussing the windshield issue. Greg owned the Cadillac Shop restoration company and was in charge of the restoration at this time. Greg passed away very unexpected a few months after this picture was taken.

Picture 0064 Left side view. Many hours and much discussion went on behind the scenes of these pictures. What you are seeing here in just a few minutes represents months of work and research.

Picture 0019 A cut taken from an original 1912 Dealers catalog that I have. This would leave me to believe that the cars IHC produced did not sell well. In 1912 the roadster sold for $1000.00, considering a model T could be bought for probably a 1/3 of that amount IHC got into building cars and got out pretty quick.

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Hello

1 of the other major undertakings in this project was the fenders after removing all the paint it was discovered that I had more body putty for fenders than I had metal. The decision was made to build new fenders.

The 1st 2 pictures show the body putty on the original fenders

picture 0014 Shows traces of the original Wine colored paint that seeped in between the pieces of sheet metal after they were riveted together to make the fender. this proved helpful in determining what the final color for the body would be. These specs of paint were well preserved.

picture 0028 Shows me working on forming the tabs for a rear inside fender


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The finished inner rear fender still a long way to go.

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As impressed as I was with that engine, I am amazed at the amount of work put in to building a whole new body and frame to put it in.

That is a work of art from all angles.

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Body work is always the hard part.......and most expensive.......
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Hello Everyone

Today I'm going to post pictures of some of the eye candy that goes on this car. As Craig mentioned in his post body work can be expensive. In this case the Brass work has exceeded by 5 times the amount of money required to have the body and frame professionally re created and we're still not finished. I don't ever intend to restore another car they are a money pit if you want to do one as accurately as humanly possible. I decided when I started this project I was going to see it through and that it would be done to a Concours d' Elegance level. There have been some setbacks, but the goal today is the same as when I started back in 2006. Harold Ottaway said it best many years ago when I was visiting him and the Big 4 45
" I stopped counting once I got to $30,000 I don't want to know how much it cost " and it is the same with me. Please enjoy the pictures and if you're ever in the area stop in and see the car for yourself. The plan is for the car to make it's show debut at Amelia Island Concours d' Elegance spring 2016.

The 4 pictures in this post show 1 of the Rushmore Headlights
as they came with the car. Note in the 1st picture the glass lenses is just 4 pieces of flat glass placed side by side. The original lenses were curved to magnify the light. The new lenses
can be seen in the next post.

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Hi Again

In this post I'm putting pictures of how the headlights looked when I got them back from Rick Britten Brass Works. This have a coating on them guaranteed not to tarnish for 5 years. Also notice the lenses and how they magnify. I'm really appreciative of Josh Lee one of the previous owners for finding the correct headlights and acetylene generator for the car and as icing on the cake Rushmore products were serial numbered. Josh managed to find a pair of headlights that have consecutive serial numbers so these lights most likely left the factory as a set.

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Hi Again

In this post I'll be showing pictures of the restored Acetylene generator. To make Acetylene gas for the headlights bits of carbide are placed in the bottom of the generator and the top tank is filled with water. As the water drips down onto the carbide it creates Acetylene gas. Today when collectors tour their cars on Gas Light tours they usually have a small tank of Acetylene mounted in the trunk or somewhere underneath the car where it can't readily be seen. My plans are to hook everything up as it should be, but most likely never use the lights.

I'm hoping with the Maroon body and the bright Red frame and wheels coupled with all the brass and Black top the whole car will become eye candy when it's finished.

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For the last post today

I'm posting 2 pictures of the engine that's in this car as it set many years ago up at John Tysse's place in Crosby, ND. The other 2 pictures are of cars that were in one of the previous owners family back in the day. I don't remember, but I believe the pictures were taken in Colorado.
Hopefully maybe John Tysse will see this post and share any information he remembers about where the engine came from.
Hint, Hint Craig

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Nice job LeRoy, this is my idea of a nice early car. You are doing it up the way it should be done. Hope to see it some day in person. Kevin
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Hello Everyone

In todays post I'll show how some luck and imagination turned into making a missing piece of the puzzle for the car. Even though 99% of the people that ever saw the car wouldn't even suspect something was missing. Ebay comes to the rescue but not in away you'd expect.

1st picture shows original firewall in place on the car.

2st picture shows a faint shadow on the original firewall I got from Joe Wulfken for some kind of tag. I talked to a fellow
( Bob Johnston ) in Minnesota that has one of these cars and he confirmed for me this is where the tag for the Troy windshield would go. Neither him nor Joe Wulfken had a tag for their cars. In fact Bob didn't have a windshield and Joe's car had the windshield, but no tag.

3rd picture A troy windshield comes up for sale on Ebay with the tag. the windshield was not the correct style for the IHC so it was of no use to me. After talking to the owner a good close up picture of the tag was downloaded and sent off to a company to have several tags reproduced.

4th picture The new reproduction tag

The Troy Sunshade Co. is still in business today. Although it no longer makes windshields it was founded in 1887 and it did produce windshields for fighter planes during WW11. After the war it went back to producing products for peace time and today makes all sorts of tote bags, sports equipment bags etc. For more information about their history go www.info@bagsbytroy.com

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Hi Everyone

In this post I'm going to show an item I made for the car to just add some eye candy. These cars originally were equipped with a Remy low tension magneto that ran through a coil to get a spark hot enough to fire the plugs. You started on batteries and then switched over to the magneto. I have 6 of these magnetos and none of them are any good. I've contacted at least 3 magneto repair shops and they all told to forget fixing them because their just a poor design in regard to the coils and none of them were even interested in looking at them. So enter Wendell Kelch well know tractor restorer. Wendell will be rebuilding and checking out the engine. Wendell and I have decided to just use the magneto as a distributor and run the car on a new jell cell battery. So now the question where does one hide a modern battery, why in the battery box of course.

The pictures show how I took an original label off an old dry cell
battery and reproduced it to make my own fake dry cells. The new dry cells will be grouped together in the battery box and wired up like they are supposed to be. The dry cells will be glued together on the sides where they touch and then the middle sections will be cut away so that the unit will slip down over the new jell cell battery. The wires from the jell cell will be wired to the terminals on the fake dry cells. I have been told by other collectors this is done a lot more often than people realize

When finished running for the day pop the jell cell out of the car and charge over night and you're ready to go again. The modern coil will be placed inside the original wooden coil box.

I'm not saying all Remy Magnetos are problem child's, just the ones that IHC used on these cars. I have talked to collectors that run early Buicks and the theory is take the Remy's off set them on a shelf and run a DU4 Bosch. Since I want to maintain the car as original as possible I'm keeping the Remy system, but I'm just going to run on batteries all the time instead of just for starting.

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LeRoy, what a wonderful job you have done and the photos as you have progressed. Glad you could do it right and clean up all the bad attempts. If we do it right the first time there needs not to be a second time. Please continue with photos, thanks much, gene
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Hi again Everyone

Todays post will be of making the pattern and machine work to make the missing transmission lid. The car is equipped with a 3 speed Brown & Lippe transmission which was a very popular brand of transmission back in the day. The aluminum lid was missing, but careful study of my original parts book and taking measurements from the transmission case a new lid was cast. An interesting discovery was that the hole pattern in top of the case is very hap hazard. Holes are not in line and appear to have been center punched and drilled by hand.

The first 2 pictures show making the pattern and the 2nd 2 pictures show the pattern and the new casting. Cattail foundry here in Pennsylvania has done all the castings for this project.

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More Pictures of The Tranny Lid

1st Picture Starting to machine the lid

2nd Picture Trail Fit

3rd Picture Boring the hole ready to cut threads for fill cap

4th Picture Turning the Fill Cap.

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Making the fill Cap for the transmission Cover.

1st Picture Milling The Hex

2nd Picture Milling the slot for the 3/8" Round bar that is used to loosen the cap.

3rd Picture The finished Cap

4th Picture The finished lid and cap assembly.

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Hi Again

For my last post today I'll be showing making the new king pins for the front axle. If my post seems to jump around a lot from one thing to another, it's because a lot of things were going on at the same time. Some work was farmed out, different people in my shop were assigned certain jobs etc. I tried to take lots of pictures and it's a challenge to select pictures for here on Harry's. If there is a certain operation that someone would like explained better or would like to see more details. Let me know as I have literally over a 1000 different pictures of this project.

As I mentioned in another post everything that is made, reworked etc. has Cad drawings There are literally 1000's of hours invested in taking measurements going back and forth between assemblies to get things correct. And then there are the parts that were missing where I had to travel several hundred miles just to go look at another car. I owe many thanks to all the people that are helping me to bring this car back to it's glory.

1st Picture starting to turn new king pin.

2nd Picture King pin turned approx. .015 oversize to allow heat treatment and final grind to size. Threaded part was cut to correct size prior to heat treat.

3rd Picture forming radius on head to match old original pin.

4th Picture Finished king Pins back from heat treat and final grinding.

Until tomorrow have a GREAT Day!

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In today's post I'm showing before and after pictures of the dash clock for the IHC. The clock was patented March 28, 1905.
It has an 8 day movement and it is wound by grasping the outside diameter of the rim ( where it's knurled ) and turning.

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