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Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor


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Old 02-28-2010, 11:55:49 AM
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Does anyone have technical info or know where i can buy a book about this engine? It was originally torch ignition, but has been changed to spark plug operated by a trip device. also anyone care to place a value on this engine. these pics show it still dirty from the barn it was in, but it only needed cleaning and looks good now. Serial number 96850.
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:31:37 PM
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Default Re: Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor

HI, I have never seen that plaque before (Not that that means anything) It looks as if it had the standard ingitor in the front that was drilled out and had a spark plug put in. Your pictures are of the wrong side so it is hard to tell too much. But I can tell that there is NO match starter or air pump. With a Ser # of 96850 it is before 1911. You should find the date stamped on the end of the crankshaft of the day month and year it was made. My "guess" with the modifications and missing parts is that value would be in the $5000.00 to $7000.00 range
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:14:43 PM
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Default Re: Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor

Hi Mike, yes i do know the date of manufacture of this type N engine. It was made on April 27th 1907 as stamped on the end of the crankshaft. I mostly want to know if this is the model N series engine and i would like to buy a book about this engine if one is available. I knew when i asked the man who owned it if he would sell it and i ran to the bank when he said he wanted 1000.00 cash. i can send you a picture of the spark system if you want to give me your email address. I watched one of the N engines go for 8100.00 on Ebay which did not have a cart nor was it painted. This one cleaned up very well and runs as well as it looks. Thank you for writing. Chris
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:12:10 PM
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Default Re: Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor

Hello, We need more pictures! Thats a great engine. Originally it would have had the electric igniter as the main ignition, and the torch igniter was an option. Your engine does look to have the spot for the hot tube, or torch igniter as fairbanks called it. 5 and 8 h.p. models dont always have the air start, but would have had a match starter. My 1907 8 h.p. does not have the airpump, and never had hotube ignition. Keith Billit was making all the hot tube parts, but may not be anymore, I dont know. I bought some stuff from him a few years ago, he makes the match start parts too. If you look on E-bay there are books on there sometimes, mostly reprints. As far as your engine being an "N" model, thats a hard thing to figure out. I have 3 fairbanks engines built in 1907, only one has the original tag and it says nothing about it being an "N". I think they started calling them "N"s sometime after 1907-1908. Caterpillarman
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:41:46 PM
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Default Re: Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor

As a general rule, if it has the fine tooth gears its a Standard. If it has the coarse tooth gears its an N. Not really any difference otherwise. I can only see one tiny bit of the gearing in your photos. They look coarse from what I can see. Some of the cast name plates said "Fairbanks Morse 5 HP", some said "Fairbanks Morse Torch Ignitor 5 HP" and I've seen a few that just said "Fairbanks Morse". I don't think one meant anything more than the other, just some different designs used by FM.
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:23:24 AM
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Default Re: Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor

Our 1903 12hp also has the Torch-ignitor plate but no spot for a hot tube?!?

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Bert,
I've seen that on a few engines as well. I know of an 8 HP that has the "Torch Ignitor" plate on it and no place for the torch and chimney to be mounted. Perhaps FM used up whatever name plates they had with the main theme to get the name "Fairbanks Morse" in bold letters on the engine.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:16:48 AM
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Tommy & Bert
My 5hp. N has the air pump match start and hot tube.. it has 5-5 -05 on the end of the crank shaft. plate on the side says Fairbanks Morse 5hp.

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Default Re: Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor

Tommy I think that there is a physical size difference between a true standard and the N My 1898 piston trip standard was an 8 HP but if you compare it to a 1900 12 HP they were the same size. There is NO doubt I don't think that pre 1900 they were standards it is not until after 1900 that there is any mention anyplace of the name "N" That is just my observation
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:52:47 PM
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Default Re: Wanted info on 1907 Fairbanks Morse 5 HP Torch Ignitor

It all depends on the date Mike. You are right that we've all seen some of the very early FM engines that were considerably oversized. I had a '98 (I think it was late in the year though, 11-?-98) 4 HP Standard and it was the same size as an '07 4 HP N I have. I've got a 3 HP Piston trip here that is a '97 and its the same size as the 4 HP's. Its really hard to peg Mr. Fairbanks and Mr. Morse......
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