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So How much clearance is there between the piston and the top plate ? don't think there's a whole lot on mine
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Havn't measured it but somewhere around 3/4" to 1". I can see where the folder helps keep the straw from just following the plunger back and forth. Probably helps to keep the bales from having frizzie ends. If you watch some of the videos you can see how it works if you look real close.
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I reworked a pulley. Took a skin cut on the od to true everything up. Bored and installed an oillite bushing. I decided the baler needed a slip clutch. The slip clutch is off a gravely garden tractor. I had to machine a flat area on the hub and spokes and screw a mounting plate to it. Then the clutch can be mounted to that.
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Divider board launcher,, dogs and folder detail. I have acquired some 4" wide belting off a large round baler. Pulleys are 4"wide. I was advised that 3" wide belt would track better. So I may cut the width to that. Also the belt is about 60' long. I could use some input on belting as to size. What distance works good between engine and machinery for scale models.
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When I asked an older fellow that question he said " Far enough away you don't set fire to what your doing " which turns out to be really accurate!
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Elwin! I always tried to use 30ft between engine shaft and the saw shafts, IE 60ft belts. In your situation you might use 20 to 25ft between shafts. IE 50 to 60ft belts. BV
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The belts I use are 15 ft between shafts or 30ft belts. Long enough to get distance between every thing and short enough to get to the engine if something isn't right. Plus depending on the show having the room to run and or I run the stuff on the trailer sometimes, Like if and when I go to Mason.
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What a great build, I love to see this kind of project, at one time I started designing a wire knotter to work with a small stationary baler based on the Oliver 2 wire knotter. It was different than the New Holland type twister hook knotter that used a single roll of wire and made 1 tie per wire, so a two wire bale had just two rolls of wire per bale where as the Oliver knotter had two rolls of wire, four in total and made two twists, one on each end of the bale per wire. It sounds more complex when in actuality it more simple because no grippers are used, wire is fed on both sides of the bale which is on edge and the wires and needles work horizontally. May be one day I will finish it. Good Luck on your project. Tad
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What a great build, I love to see this kind of project, at one time I started designing a wire knotter to work with a small stationary baler based on the Oliver 2 wire knotter. It was different than the New Holland type twister hook knotter that used a single roll of wire and made 1 tie per wire, so a two wire bale had just two rolls of wire per bale where as the Oliver knotter had two rolls of wire, four in total and made two twists, one on each end of the bale per wire. It sounds more complex when in actuality it more simple because no grippers are used, wire is fed on both sides of the bale which is on edge and the wires and needles work horizontally. May be one day I will finish it. Good Luck on your project. Tad
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Good to hear from you old friend, I haven't said much in great long time but I do check in once and a while. The tractor and combine are still sitting on my bench under two or three cotton towels, I take a look at it every now and then to make sure there is nothing bad happening and think to myself may be one day. I don't wish to hijack this thread but I just finished a total reconstruction of a 1898, that is the year not the model number, Cornelly embroidery machine that was dropped on black top, broke into several pieces. and boy is there a million pieces in that one almost all cast iron and a work of art, May be I will start a thread on that one. Hi to everybody Tad Wicks
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A little more progress. Rear and front axles. Bale tensioner. Pulley with slip clutch from Gravely garden tractor. It's capable of making a bale. Looked at the postmark on the engine plans. It was 3/7/13. I am 5 years and 1 month into this hobby. I have the engine and baler almost done. It's kept me out of trouble.
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Got a set of wheels donated by a friend. They needed a little adjustment to make them look right. Took some time but it was easier than making them.
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Wow to go through all that work you must of got a deal on those wheels I see there's some in the engine adds you wouldn't of had to modify....
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Ya I got a deal on them. Lots of lathe time but i can have it running while I am doing other things. They will work out O.K. It would be a lot of work building them from scratch too. I havn't looked on engineads or ebay. At times this hobby requires a lot of effort to come up with something that looks like the real thing ony smaller. I just keep pecking away. Things seem to work out.
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Its finally done. Now I have.to figure out how it works.
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think my lawn is about ready for baling
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Baled some hay today. A little stiff at first. Greased the gears. It losened up. Bales wouldn't pack evenly. The top of the bale was packed way tighter than the bottom. I tightened the tensioners till the wood blocks wouldn't pass through. Bales were way too mushy and lop sided. Hay was dry .grass about 6-8" tall. Tried twine and wire. Wire seemed easier. Need a couple more operators. Trying to figure out whats going on with the baler and keep the engine running at a sustained speed is a little difficult. Had to use the hand feed pump to feed the boiler. Don't have the injector working yet. Could use some advice on how to make a good square solid bale.

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Baled some hay today. A little stiff at first. Greased the gears. It losened up. Bales wouldn't pack evenly. The top of the bale was packed way tighter than the bottom. I tightened the tensioners till the wood blocks wouldn't pass through. Bales were way too mushy and lop sided. Hay was dry .grass about 6-8" tall. Tried twine and wire. Wire seemed easier. Need a couple more operators. Trying to figure out whats going on with the baler and keep the engine running at a sustained speed is a little difficult. Had to use the hand feed pump to feed the boiler. Don't have the injector working yet. Could use some advice on how to make a good square solid bale.
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Congrats on you build it looks absolutely great. The art of bale making, I would say that all smaller modern balers have the ability to move the feed fingers so that hay can be moved across the chamber to where it is needed to complete a tight straight bale, I have never worked around a top feed baler with a chinaman, that's what they call the stuffer here. Are you getting banana bales, then you need to move where the hay is being placed, also check your haydogs in the chamber to make sure they are doing their job and then it might just need to slick up a bit. One time I had been baling grain hay with a NH 290 3 twine that I had narrowed the chamber to 15 inches, they do that here in Ca so they can stack them better in a squeeze stack and get 72 bales in a 8 high, 64 in a 7 high 8x8 stack, anyway I went from grain hay to Timothy and all I could make were banana bales until I figured out that if I put the windrow right against the plunger side of the pick up, it would make great bales and didn't have to readjust anything, so I guess what I am saying that it is trial and error to get what you want, the number of strokes per minute makes a difference. Good luck it would be great to see it run one day. Tad
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I am getting bananna bales. The top of the bale is tight the bottom is hardly packed. Maybe that is the reason that most of the modern small balers feed from the side. As was suggested to me I switched to straw. That made a big diffeeence. Still the bales tend to bananna and could be a little denser. The flipper tends to want to stay up where it impedes the feeding of the hay. It needs to be spring loaded to stay straight down. Maybe the only adjustment in placing the hay would be a longer stuffer. Trying to tie with twine is a pita. Wire works better. Bales are shaggy on one side. Again it is the baler design. This a model of an antique baler. There have been many design changes over the years. I couldn't get the engine to maintain a steady speed. It would surge then slow down and stop. Governor was working fine. Don't know what is going on with that. There are many issues with this project that have to be delt with. I have been taking them on one at a time. Slowly working through them. Your input and that of others has been a great help.
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Sounds like you are almost there just a bit more while you learn the machine. Yes, it sounds as though the stuffer needs to enter the chamber more, or it is late, careful of the plunger timing, you don't want to clip the stuffer with the plunger. It is good to roll it over by hand first, I don't know how many times I have seen guys bale up a set of needles, the neighbor, one time, I think baled up nine needles in a NH 500, bang, bag, bang, before he would listen. The ragged side of the bale is from a dull knife or no knife. The old times here used to shim the stationary blade so that it would cut a playing card. I don't know if anybody ever really hand tied with twine that much, balers do the tie when the bale is under compression by the plunger so that it remains tight, hand tying doesn't have that option. I don't know the plunger timing but the stuffer should start into the chamber as soon as the plunger opens the chamber on the way back and is in dwell, I sure you know all that. Play with the timing and stuffer and see what happens. Tad
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