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Waterloos Are Wunderbar!


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Old 07-28-2011, 06:37:25 AM
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is that the same macdonald that george dike had for many years,i am sure it came from miller paving
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Bill, you are correct. I think George may have worked at one time for Miller as well.

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WOW has it really been 10 years since the 30 was out last? was that for Blyth?
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when i was about 12 or 13 years old i steered that mac donald while george worked the controls and fired the engine.

i asked him one time "mr dike, what happens if we run over something with this engine"?

he simply replied "we will flatten it"

it is a big engine when you are young and short!!!

nice to see it all restored.

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There's no young and short about it, that's just a BIG engine period.
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Bump for the man looking for Waterloo paint scheme.
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some more waterloo goodies.John
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waterloo engines loaded on to flat cars.John
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more waterloo stuff.John
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Bump for the man looking for Waterloo paint scheme.
Beff?
Not sure who is looking and what vintage the machine might be, but there seem to be no hard and fast rules on Waterloo schemes.
Earlier in this thread there were pictures of an 18 hp with a fairly light green colour. A lot of people thought that was odd when the engine appeared at shows but the owner swore that he found similar greens under the grease. And I saw another one under restoration that was much the same on hidden parts.
Looked at a nice 16 hp Waterloo yesterday - later model, triple rivetted lap boiler and some original lettering. It was mainly a dark red - call it oxblood red? - with very little green except maybe on steps.
But there are others that are all green with red trim. There is no one alive today who was standing on the loading dock in Waterloo when those engines were coming fresh out of the factory so paint 'em the way you like 'em. No matter what you do, someone will be sure to point out that it is wrong. Then you tell them to go fly a lead kite, or whatever favourite expression you might choose and that Beff said that colour was correct!
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here is a early 18hp? i have a post card around here some were with this same engine or the same size of engine also wilfrid bird of halton county now known as halton region up in the georgetown (ontario) area with his waterloo 20 -22 hp threshing.John
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waterloo engines loaded on to flat cars.John

sorry i just relized that the first picture had been already posted here in a earlyer post.John
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i dont think this engine has been talked about here yet it is the 20- 22 hp of the late allen leis of waterloo ontario now owened by david woods of simcoe ontario allen was true waterloo man as his engine said on the side of the water tank
"an old waterloo toy for an old waterloo boy" aswell as lion head caps on the wheels this engine was a common site a alot of ontario shows it was in a bad fire some years back allen then restored it again after the fire allen was also a massey harris gas engine collector wich he also took great pride in displaying allen was one of the good ones in the hobby.John


here is the thread on allen when he passed away

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...ght=allen+leis
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Just came across a few pictures of Jim Bucknall's 20-22 Waterloo.this is Jim's second restored Waterloo engine.this engine was once owened by Bill Bailey of Brampton Ontario.bill was the first president of the OSAPA (Steam Era) in milton.does anybody know any more info on this one before Bill owened it?.John
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I dont have any info prior to Baileys owning it but the engine was kept at there fuel station & construction equipment yard on highway 10 about 3/4 mile north of highway 7 in Brampton. Bill used to steam it up regularily out on the side of the fuel station parking lot. He would often drive it up the shoulder of #10 to our lane (about 1/4 mile north) & come in, get water at our barn & go back south after. He would put it on there construction float and often took it through Brampton "Flower Festival" parades in the 1960s.
Bill was known by all as "Bill Bailey THE OIL MAN" hence Baileys Fuels. There never was a canopy on it when he owned it.
It used to be covered with a tarp each fall in the construction yard to the rear. Finally one year the tarp never came off. Saddly for what ever reason it never ran again & several more tarps rotted away for the next 40 years. There used to be a water wagon and a model A fuel truck as well. All that remained of the wagon beside it was the pump & wheel bands.
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Default First With Slogan “Ask the man who owns one” ― Waterloo or Packard?

We know that sometimes there’s nothing wrong in (what I like to call) “stealing from the best.” To that I ask if anyone can prove ― somehow, someway ― who was first with the slogan “Ask the man who owns one?” I ask this because just about everyone is familiar with the Packard automobile and with the company’s use of that same slogan in their advertising, especially in the last years of their existence. [FYI #1 a family friend owned a small Packard dealership in Lancaster, NY USA (where I grew up) ― and, if this guy was a dealer well, then, you know it made money as he never did anything except if it produced money.]

But... BUT... I’ve seen a 1916-ish-era catalog from Waterloo Manufacturing Company Limited of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada (which this thread is about, I assume) with that SAME SLOGAN. [FYI #2 please realize that I grew up in Western NY, so I watched a lot of Canadian TV and even spent time in Canada form time to time (e.g., one week each in 1974 and 1975 fishing with my stepfather, etc. – and for the record I don’t really like to fish, but my step dad did, so...).]

Anyway, getting back from deep left field there... sometimes the “Ask the” slogan was by itself in this Waterloo catalog, and sometimes it was with a preceding slogan with the “Ask the” slogan coming up right behind to effect a one-two slogan-punch.

Anyway, here’re some of those “Ask me” slogans from that 1916 Waterloo catalog. These are in addition to the slogans at the top of every page to the left and right of the Waterloo banner. Those top-of-the-page slogans were: “Lion Brand of Tested Machinery” and “Famous for Over Sixty Years.”

The slogans below are for steam engines up to page 13, and after that they’re for threshers and whatnot. The slogans are all underlined in the catalog.

“Cannot be equaled. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 6

“The most economical on the market. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 8

“Superior to any other. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 9

“Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 10

“None other its equal. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 13

“A perfect grain saver. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 31

“The world’s champion. Made in Canada. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 32 – one-two-three punch!

“The pride of the West. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 33

“A triumph of Modern Engineering. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 34

“The best on the market. Ask the man who owns one.” ― page 42


For those who might want to know how old the Packard company was, well, it was quite old (like 1899-old). The link below is just one webpage of many with company history. This one just seemed to have a short history, yet long enough to included early information.

http://www.oldandsold.com/articles01/article822.shtml

Another webpage states that Packard came out with the slogan in 1901; the link for that is right below.

http://vinson.hagleyblogs.org/2012/0...-who-owns-one/

We know that Waterloo started making steam engines in the 1890’s (per Reynold Wik’s 1953 book Steam Power on the American Farm – an excellent book, BTW). So, does anyone have a Waterloo catalog from before 1901 to see if they may have used the “Ask the” slogan in it? The again, perhaps Waterloo’s use of the “Ask the” slogan was a one-year-only thing and this post of mine and its question are totally moot.

Anyhow, I hope this post isn’t considered stealing this thread, but the thread title does seem to make me ask...

WHO WAS FIRST WITH THE SLOGAN “ASK THE MAN WHO OWNS ONE” WATERLOO OR PACKARD?

As always, thanks for reading my post. I know I’m wordy, that’s just the way I am. After all, it's QUALITY not QUANTITY when it comes to posting here, right?

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I dont have any info prior to Baileys owning it but the engine was kept at there fuel station & construction equipment yard on highway 10 about 3/4 mile north of highway 7 in Brampton. Bill used to steam it up regularily out on the side of the fuel station parking lot. He would often drive it up the shoulder of #10 to our lane (about 1/4 mile north) & come in, get water at our barn & go back south after. He would put it on there construction float and often took it through Brampton "Flower Festival" parades in the 1960s.
Bill was known by all as "Bill Bailey THE OIL MAN" hence Baileys Fuels. There never was a canopy on it when he owned it.
It used to be covered with a tarp each fall in the construction yard to the rear. Finally one year the tarp never came off. Saddly for what ever reason it never ran again & several more tarps rotted away for the next 40 years. There used to be a water wagon and a model A fuel truck as well. All that remained of the wagon beside it was the pump & wheel bands.


thanks Dave for the info on Bill Bailey.do you know what ever happened to the model A truck?.John
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Brian S,
I have a selection of Waterloo catalogues. The first one where I can spot the mention of "Ask the man who owns one" is from a 1916 issue - likely the same one you have as it has been reprinted.

caser and David,
Jim calls his "new" Waterloo "The Bailey Engine" and the old one is "Old Faithful"! He is now working on a little Sawyer-Massey (17hp?) with butt strap boiler - a different critter in the Lion's Den!
Jim and Irene are about the nicest folks you will ever have the pleasure of meeting along with their budding engineer grandson Shelby. When you meet young lads like him, you get a sense that the future is going to be very bright indeed!
They probably put more time on their engines than any other traction engine operators as they seem to be on the go every weekend and more. The restoration of the Bailey engine was a first class undertaking with countless hours of work put into repairing that original Waterloo rivetted boiler. The pictures are proof of the fine work that was done on it.
Can't wait to see and hear that little Sawyer in action.
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Hey John
Last i saw truck it was disassembled in the building that the engine sat behind. Pretty rough. I think a family member had been working on it. Property has been sold for some time & building still there but empty. (industrial buildings all around) I know someone who may know. Must ask him. Been so long i forgot about it till this thread mentioned Mr Bailey. As i remember him as a kid he was a very pleasant gentleman.
I always kept an eye on the engine (could see it from our property)
Jim did an outstanding job. Grandson Shelby just finished the training course we ran for the boiler association. Glad to see him interested. Makes the effort to do classs worthwhile.
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Here is another 20 - 22 HP Waterloo engine.does anybody know anything on this engine ?. picture says it was taken in 1966 at Milton Steam Era.John
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