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Old 02-17-2008, 03:41:55 PM
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My winter project has been to restore a 1909 screen cooled Famous engine that arrived here in a bushel basket. Most of the major problems have been solved with the exception of replacing the fuel lines to a reproduction fuel tank mounted in the base casting. I have found a number of photos showing a wide range of plumbing configurings some logical and others questionable. I would like to to replumb the engine close to original, but even pictures from IHC literature appear to vary. To date the best source of information has been a Ertil Blueprint Replica Toy. I am concerned that the apparent lack of flexability in the lines will cause the fuel tank to be subject to stress,rubbing and twisting as the engine runs. I would appreciate it if I could be directed to a source of plumbing details. Secondly, What DuPont paint code is proper for my engine 7410,44150,012,or 026?

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Do you have the old style cast iron fuel pump or the newer style with the check valves built in. If you have the old style pump you will need to have a check valve before and after the two holes on the bottom of the pump. I am working on a 1908 and I am also in need of a more exact diagram to set it up. I have a IH book from starbolt that shows it but I am still weery on how it all goes together. I have most of the old pipe work but will need to replace.
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I am thinking why couldnt you use a flex line off of a truck with high pressure fuel system? I think the line I am talking about is stainless steel flex line off of sonoma or s 10 I had to replace the lines on a truck last fall but I cant remember which model. You could use the flex line to take some of the vibration out of your ridgid fuel line. It is worth a look see Hope it helps Don in stormy northern Indiana
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Do you have the old style cast iron fuel pump or the newer style with the check valves built in. If you have the old style pump you will need to have a check valve before and after the two holes on the bottom of the pump. I am working on a 1908 and I am also in need of a more exact diagram to set it up. I have a IH book from starbolt that shows it but I am still weery on how it all goes together. I have most of the old pipe work but will need to replace.
Johnny, I have a brass fuel pump with two check balls inside. I assume that I will not need any aditional check valves. There is only a part of the fuel return line left for my engine. I think that I have the same Starbolt book you have (Directions for setting up and operating IHC Vertical Tank Cooled Gasoline Engines). I think that, based upon my Ertl Model, I have almost figured all the bends and turns the fuel lines take which will require a major investment in unions,nipples, 45 & 90 deg elbows and a 1/2 inch Tee for a filler. Unfornately the arrangement doesen't comply with pictures I have found on various web sites.
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Thank you Don. A good picture and a fine engine.

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There are 3 fuel line fittings on my reproduction tank(all located above a normal gasoline level near the top of the tank). The openings are 1/2 and 3/8 female pipe on the end and 3/8 female pipe on the side. The side fitting has an internal tube that extends down to the bottom of the tank. All 3 fittings align with the holes in the engine base casting. In your photo it appears that the fuel intake line for the pump attaches to the 3/8 fitting on the front of the tank and not to the side fitting as my tank has been plumbed for by the fabricator. Is this observation correct? Do you know if the various 2 & 3 hp IHC vertical engines were all plumbed the same when the fuel tank was located in the base?
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Tom, I have that book and I also bought an old IHC catalog from Hitnmiss enterprises item # L380, it was $15 but has lots of interesting things listed for the verticals and horizontals. I also found that a company called binder books has a 1908 vertical famous manual and if you have the decal that I have listed a picture of they seem to be the only american company that has it.
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Tom: Here Is A Picture Of Original Piping On A 1908 Vertical Famous.
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Tom: Here Is A Side View Picture Of A 1908 3hp Vertical.
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Well tom since you have the newer pump here is a pic that I took from Vic hartzels 3hp. And thanks guys for the old style pump pictures I can get my engine plumped up now.
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Has anyone got good clear photos of the water pump and the eccentric drive that drives the pump please.
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