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Old 03-16-2009, 06:54:25 PM
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I've seen this same thing happend at many auctions over the years. they think there invisible to what they are doing, BUT someone see's them doing it, i have and told one of the guys that work for the auctioner what they were up to and pointed them out were the theif could not see me doing it. seen many escorted off the grounds in the back of a sheriffs car. they say pictures are worth a thousand words this is true with cell phone camars, as most everyone has one. i like to take pictures of them in action with out them even knowing whats going on untill securty comes up to them confonts them and shows them the picture and carrys them off. another thing is when a person is trying to hide something in a box of junk and get it for notheing they have a grin on there face UNTILL they look for it and its not there, and the next item the auctoners selling is that piece he /or she had hid the grin is gone and and the look goes to P**** off cause they know someone pulled it. thats priceles, oh and yes the item number swap i have seen this many times swaping a item # for another one this happend to me and i personaly cought the guy at the gate when he was checking out,it was a john deere plow the guy had with the wrong item # on it, he bought a plow but it was a ihi, i had bought the jd plow, when i was checking #s on the items, i pointed out he had the wrong item and he went nuts
said he bought it and paid for it and it was going home with him, i just looked at him and said no its not going with you because its not yours, he went on to say you can't prove that its not mine, i smiled and reached in my pocket and pulled my receit out and showed it to him and said like i said its not going with you this is MY plow you swaped the item # on he knew then he'd been cought. needles to say he and others cought have been baned from the auctions because of there sticky fingures, and yes if their cought at the auction their told to leave or else. it not only happends at the auctions it happends at the shows as well, i have cought several steeling at the show fle markets as well as the show it self. this is sad when you have to whatch everyone around your table or exibit because you never know. was in fla at pioner park days several years back and at the fle maket someone had stole a top to a coffie pot the attendant put it at the end of the table with a sign on it that read ( to the theif that stole the lid so now you can steel the pot to go with it) sad indeed. a theif is no better than a lier, i have no use for eather. if you see someone steeling something report, it because it might be your stuff they steel next time.
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Old 03-20-2009, 05:20:59 AM
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The problem I have at auctions is with people stealing items after they have been sold. The auctioneer always announces that after the item is sold that the buyer is responsible for it. I usually go to sales alone and can't always watch what I bought or load it right away. If someone decides to "liberate" an item I have won I have to pay for it no matter if it is still there or not. About a year ago I won an early IHC M 1 1/2 HP engine on a cart with a very nice round cast iron low tension coil attached to the cart. When I went to load the engine the coil was gone and nobody had seen the thief so I was just S O L. This has occured several other times with other removable items like oilers. I have notified the auctioneer about a couple of these that I have actually seen and one auctioneer told me bluntly that the item was sold and he didn't care. Another auctioneer ,when I told him about someone removing what didn't belong to him actually called the sheriffs department and had the man arrested so there are large differences in how auctioneers deal with the problem, too.. I never went to another sale held by that first auctioneer and a couple of years later he went out of business!

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I have commented on stealing, etc. before but I will say this. I figure that someone who is stealing for a collection cannot possibly have the same "satisfaction" with that collection as an honest person does. I know that is not much comfort particularly if you are the victim but sometimes one has to take the long view. At my grandmom's estate auction someone walked off with a valuable book that had been part of grandpop's geneology collection (1st Edition Annals of the Oley Valley; if you see someone selling one with "David S. Yoder" written on the fly leaf ask him where he got it and tell him it was stolen from Emma Yoder's sale in Morgantown PA in 1985) and I figure the guy probably got hit by a truck on his way home from the sale or dropped dead from a heart attack that night, who knows? I don't think it is a good idea to challenge someone over petty theft - the best thing to do in my opinion would be to quietly let auction staff know what you observed so that at least they will be aware of that individual and maybe they can catch him in the act. Auctions should have plain clothes security just to help keep everyone honest. I am sure many of the larger auctions do. But there is no way even a well run auction can stop all the thievery. The good auctions will have everything that has much value individually tagged and that will help some with the "hiding in a box of junk" issue. As for stuff I purchase at an auction, I try to keep it with me and secure it in my vehicle as soon as possible. When I bought an IHC M at Beiler's last year I removed the oiler just to be safe.
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I'm not sure what side of the fence I'm on on this one. I would likely have done the same thing as Junkologist. Would it have been worth the possible retaliation from the theif (present or future) for what was taken or at least having this playing on your mind the rest of the time your at the sale or if you live in the same neighborhood? I don't know. Either way is understandable. It's easy to criticize when your not the one to have to make the decision. In the heat of the moment I think it would an extremely difficult decision to make. My two cents worth.

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As an active, full time auctioneer I can assure you that I want to be notified, IMMEDIATELY! The sooner I know about it the sooner I can take action. Putting a thief on the spot, even if it's a verbal heads up to the crowd to "please be aware" helps keep honest people honest. Ironically, the stuff that usually disappears isn't big ticket merchandise, it's nickle dime stuff that they must figure "isn't really stealing" or they're too impatient to hang around for it.
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Well I for one have watched people do these very things. In my experience the honest and better Auctioneers take these things serously. The poorer ones do not care. It is sad how many well off guys steal from these events. Tell your auctioneer when this happens. Pull him off to the side and tell him 'you have a problem'. If you have a buddy with you and see one of these hiders, go around and put stuff back. One auction I went to years ago an older man would buy boxes of junk for a buck. We found out he was breaking up tool sets, throwing them into boxes of junk. After fixing him at three different auctions, he left, to never return. Any more I carry a bucket with me. That lets me keep track of my small stuff. Bigger stuff, if its that important secure it before you go off and buy more. You may miss buying something else but I figure what is mine is more important than something I may get out bid on.
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Not an auction but,When my grandparent's both passed away,we had a BIG garage sale,most of the way through it I was noticing item's missing,not written in the sale book,Asked my relatives who sold these thing's,...nobody did.Sure it was alot of smaller item's but when figuring out dollars,it would have beena couple hundred.Heck the caculator dissapeared right off the cash table.I have no use for these slimeball's and will report them instantly!
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:08:37 PM
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You will find thieves in all walks of life,just look at NYC's Madof! He stole billions and being who he is will go to a country club correctional facility..You or I steal a minuscule amount of $$$ and we do hard time with the bad boy's.

A few years ago I had gone to a National retail drug store to have one of my Rx's filled, it was about 8:30 PM and one of the NYC wall St. commuters had just arrived from his daily trip to that hell hole.
He approached a wall rack with the carded OTC medications hanging from their wire hangers and after finding what he was looking for he reached out with his right hand and removed two of the carded pkgs, brought them down to elbow level, holding both cards in his right hand he brought the left up like to steady the pkg while he read it. After a few seconds the right hand returned one pkg to it's place on the rack and the left hand deftly went into his Top Coat pocket. He stood there for a few more seconds and while he was going through his act I motioned to the Druggist,looked over my shoulder and nodded toward this character while sticking my hand inside my jacket.
The druggist nodded and picked up a phone, said a coded number. Nodded his head as a thank you and pointed to the overhead security camera bubble.
When my Rx was ready and as I was paying for my med's he said "thanks, we would have missed that".

Another situation about 25 years ago I had spent a whole Friday loading a 1 Ton Chebby PUT with a heaping load of my "junk" and left for the Englishtown Auction. I packed some foodstuffs and left the house around 5;30 PM intending to get there and set up for business before dark so when the 1st Gray of dawn showed it's face I'd be ready for the onslaught. I got my three 4'X8' tables set up, my "junk" placed with smaller less $ items in front etc, covered wit tarps, set up my flood light (to deter midnight goodie supply) had a snack and dozed in the truck.
Next AM (about 4;00 I was out uncovering and had prospective customers awaiting. Had a great morning, sold oodles of my "junk" and made a bundle of $$.
Well about lunch time I observed an obviously well off MOC strolling along with his showcase Blond blue eyed babe. He stopped in front of my middle table and just looked. He picked up a Pearl handled Boy Scout knife and asked the price. I said $14, it was worth more, he said "too much, will you take $10", I said no, if I had wanted $10 I would have told you $10..He said "too much" and laid the knife back on the table BUT he didn't let go of it. His hand went into his pocket and they both turned to walk away..He thought that I wouldn't notice his little deception, but I was on to him the minute he approached my tables. I called after him " wanna bring my knife back"! He sped up and I yelled "that b----- stole my knife"! Many people turned to look but no one would get involved. Not that I blame hem at all.
I couldn't leave my tables or I'd have lost more than the $14 knife.
But I stayed the whole day Sat, my wife came out to watch while I got something to eat, went "toidy" and slept for a few hours.
We slept in the truck and went through the same routine the next AM,Sunday, about 1;00 I started packing what few things I didn't sell and she followed me out about 2;00. Drove directly to a Burger King and devoured two Whoppers w/ fries and a big thick Chocolate shake.
Ended up with $2400 cash, know more was stolen than the knife but that was the only item that I saw walk off and that was because I "profiled" him upon 1st seeing him..
My father was into Law enforcment his whole life, either Municipal or US Govt. He did his best to bring me up to be an honest man. He told me "If you ever do anything wrong and land behind bars "don't call me to get you out"! " Think about what the consequences are before you do anything that the gang is going to do" if it's wrong then excuse yourself and run as fast as you can...
I have never been in a Police car, never been in a cell and never been cuffed..

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Quite often here at auction the auctioneer will roll a lot that doesn't sell into the next bid ---recently I caught one of our club members going through a lot that had been rolled into the next one which I had bid on and won. As I can be an aggressive type of person I got in his face very quickly.His excuse was that the item didn't sell so it was fair pickings,my reply to that was I am going through your ute now and I will take what I believe is mine he objected so I said OK let us call the cops and we will see how you go-----he walked away and I took what was mine.I also told all our other club members about what had happened,he is now watched very closely.
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Someone should just go up on the grassy knoll, take careful direct aim with the 45-70, and problem solved.
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Sure that's large enough caliber?
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I reckon 50-110 would make a bigger hole...
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Sure that's large enough caliber?
I agree, something more like a .585 Nyati is a bit better. Leaves no trace 'cause it vaporizes everything.
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I totally agree with the above , but here in OZ we would have to fire twice, cant forget that warning shot, and as all my law enforcement mates would say, make sure he aint able to talk before that warning shot.
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If you are pretty sure he was actually Stealing then it good in my opinion to
report it discretely to the appropriate person.

Some times things are not always the way the appear,
for example some years ago I bought an object in a supermarket but noticing that
the object was damage I took it back to the shelf and exchange it for
a different one although the same item. Then went my merry way, only to be
approach by the store police as I was leaving the store some time
later. it was quit embarrassing situation as they wheeled me of to there office luckily I had my receipt and was able to prove my innocents. The moral of the story report it yes but don’t be too quick to judge there may be something that you don’t know about what is going on
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That makes me more bad than anything. Oat the Jim erdle auction stuff was going left and right. The rumley B tag and the tag on big Fairbanks were taken. A buddy got a tho hundred dollar cart get stolen
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Hey Jimmey can you expain your self
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I for one am shocked, and can see that perhaps you were too seeing this happen, I know our hobby contains all kinds of people, and I know most of us go out of our way to help the other guy, I would never expect to see someone pocketing a couple old spark plugs ! Being something I could not imagine happening, until thinking about it now, I too would not have known how to react (but now I do) I hope those spark plugs strip the threads in the cylinder head that @#$!* puts them in ! Paul
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