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My great grandfathers beat up 1-1/2 HP M model.


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Old 01-23-2017, 11:23:47 PM
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Default My great grandfathers beat up 1-1/2 HP M model.

I want to resurrect the old McCormick Deering with my dad so he can start it once again. His grandfather was a dairyman here in South Texas. In the early 50s papa used to send him down to the Salado creek to fire it up and fill the cistern. He still marvels at the way their was always enough water to run through a tank of gas.

My older brother can remember the late 60s when dad would fire it up in our back yard. By then the magneto was missing and dad had it running on a set of contacts and battery. I shouldn't really tell this part but later, as a small brat I pulled the inspection cover and filled the crankcase with water. That's another reason why I want to bring it back.

I have a huge laundry list of parts, so I should probably locate a parts motor.
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Welcome to STAK.......

You'll get all the help you need here.......
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Thanks Craig.
Where is the appropriate place to post photographs of the M in order to identify it?
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Hit & miss engine forum, a good place to start. A few questions for you - if there is still a tag - where is or was it mounted? Top of crankcase? Top of hopper? Small tag (about 2" high by 4" long or about 5" square on the hopper? Igniter or spark plug fired? Hand hole cover on rear of engine - 4 bolt mount or a big wing nut? Fuel pump - cast iron or yanuck (a zinc alloy)? Carb - one adjuster needle? 2 or 3 needles? One piece carb or 2? If you have the tag, serial number-please post. If no tag, or S/N not available, it will be difficult to date exactly. By answering the above, you can get close. The above can help you identify what parts you may need.

Good luck on your restoration! I wrote an article for The Gas Engine Magazine about the restoration of 2 IHC M engines, they might help you with the basics on the engine. The issue was Sept/Oct 1984, and you can read it on line at the GEM website Search: A tale of 2 engines article. Ask questions if you need help! No such thing as a dumb question - lots of answers here on the Stak.
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Thanks Craig.
Where is the appropriate place to post photographs of the M in order to identify it?
Post the picts. right here. Your in the right place for help. Bob
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Glad to see another IHC M rescued. They are the best engine to start restoring, easy to find parts for, they usually run great. Good luck in restoring a family treasure. Add some pictures of your progress, or at least take pictures before and after for your own records. Future generationsin your family will appreciate the history of this engine.
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Welcome to the Stak from a fellow Texican and iron guy. Lots of good information and great guys to answer your questions. Where is your location in Texas? I have worked or traveled most or all of the 254 counties.

I do hope you realize that this one family M may start an addiction to rusty, heavy stinky smelling iron. I have never seen a cure.
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I'm afraid it's too late for me. I've been resurrecting old iron for most of my life. Rusty the 1958 Apache is the inspiration for my screen name. I've never had a new vehicle or a mechanic. I couldn't tell you how many motor vehicles I have hoarded but there's at least 40. Lately I've been getting into highwheeled bicycles from the 1880s and even an 1870 invalid carriage from J Ward Leicester square, London. Swapped it for a 1980 Vespa. I'm keeping the ones from the 1950s.
I even have the distinction of turning away the American Pickers. Their scouts are nice folks but there are already enough local ones leaving notes and ringing the doorbell without the global exposure.
I still have my home in San Antone (io)
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I also have acreage east of La Vernia, and 10 lots on Lake Buchanan.
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Hit & miss engine forum, a good place to start. A few questions for you - if there is still a tag - where is or was it mounted? Top of crankcase? Top of hopper? Small tag (about 2" high by 4" long or about 5" square on the hopper?

1"x2 tag on top of the hopper.
It had a spark plug at one time. I need to acquire a fuel pump as well.
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Welcome to the Stak. Below is a link to the first of a series of videos on an IH M restoration by a rather colorful gentleman who refers to himself as shopdogsam.
There might be some helpful hints in them to help you in your restoration. Hal

https://youtu.be/StbMaTuo1oQ?list=PL...4lqj1YtBxaJynF
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That guy is a character! I had already seen a few balin' wire episodes, but will definitely watch the other series too.

Today I yanked it off of Dads lawn with his 2n tractor and pulled the head and the left flywheel out in his shop. The set screw for the pulley was stubborn so I walked away and just brought some of the parts back to my parts washer in town. The top of the piston and the sleeve didn't look terrible but I won't know for sure until I get the muck out. There were red wasps hibernating in what is left of the gas tank and spiders in the crankcase. I can't wait to get it cleaned up and get a closer look.
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Default Re: My great grandfathers beat up 1-1/2 HP M model.

and so it begins!......

keep us posted! I just rebuild one of these in the last few weeks so let me know if you need any help with anything its still fresh in my mind
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Thanks much!
My next question is which fuel pump I need?
It's slow going right now because everything is quite seized. The mixer cover was stuck solid and the rest is still stuck to the head.

What are you powering with your engine?
When my elders have moved along, I want to relocate to the
Portland area. I spent a week in Astoria and loved it.
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A squirrel cage fan from a furnace is nice on hot days and doesn't require extras. A water pump is a good display and doesn't require much once going. You can bring water with you if need be. I also have a corn grinder which is a great display but needs tending to constantly and you have to haul in corn and take the cracked corn home. Lots of videos on you tube for ideas.
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It has taken almost a year but my great grandfather's is finally running!
However it has a bent crankshaft and what appears to be a staked gib key. According to the dial indicator it is out by ten thousants of an inch and shakes violently enough to rattle the axle of the cart.
Someone drilled two holes in the gib key along side the flywheel and possibly drove nails or something into them to secure it.

Has anyone seen this sort of bodgery before? I would like to save the flywheel if it isn't also bent and I can remove it successfully.
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I can't quite tell from the pics where the indicator needle is reading.

Is the crankshaft end of the engine jumping up and down? M's will do this when they start getting over rated speed. Max RPM is probably no more than 650. If you get over that, an M will start jumping up and down.
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I can't quite tell from the pics where the indicator needle is reading.

Is the crankshaft end of the engine jumping up and down? M's will do this when they start getting over rated speed. Max RPM is probably no more than 650. If you get over that, an M will start jumping up and down.
Thanks for the information!

The dial indicator is actually reading o.o90" but it is counting backwards from zero so it's actually out o.010".
Now that it's running, the wobble is evident where it wasn't easy to see spinning it over by hand. I can just run the pulley on the true side and a load will keep it from over running.

However I'm still wondering about the holes drilled into the gib key.
Is that something that was commonly done. Because if so I should be able to drill them out and finally pull the key.

My dad is thrilled and doesn't care, but I'm a bit obsessive compulsive so the wobble just botherseven if it's not really an issue.

The photograph with the Harley was taken in 1986, and the one by the fence was about 1967 after Dad liberated it from the family dairy when it was sold.
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I can just run the pulley on the true side and a load will keep it from over running.
The throttle governor system needs to function properly, and the governor needs to be set to keep it from overrunning!
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Thanks, Bob!
I have a thing for scooters too.
Sorry, I shouldn't have said it that way.

It's not actually overrunning.
The governor is holding the throttle fully closed when it happens.

When I put a load on it, or enrich the mixtire enough to slow it down, the vibration goes away. I think it's just from the bent crank, because it's only the bent side that jumps.

I'm going to try to drill out those holes and see how deep they go. It's bad anyway so I can't really hurt it much. It has been soaking for 9 months with penetrating oil and I'm thinking that running it for a good while might help shake it loose enough to pull the gib key.
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