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Old 11-10-2015, 03:55:46 AM
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Another F made it to the workshop yesterday

Condition unknown apart from good compression and engine turns. Will give it a service and try get her started. Going to keep the rat look on this one as the other will be my special one once it is complete.

Any ideas what I can do with the rear wheels to make them usable on the road. Obviously road bands but the cleats are going to be removed anyway because it seems to have 2 left feet so what other options are there?
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Audio,
Very nice Fordson - there used to be some of those in this area.
On a couple of tractors, I have made cleats out of flat rubber. On one, I was able to get rubber from a scrapper that had come from a large conveyor. Or you can possibly buy new - as thick as you can get it. It is easy to cut and shape and you simply bolt on. Counter sink the holes on road side. A friend here recently did a spoker JD similarly.
Back in the day, threshermen here actually used rubber like that when they started paving roads.
Best of luck with the Fordson,
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Looks like a 1925 or 26 from what I can see. Not a bad looking tractor. The 2 right hand wheels makes it look a little odd. With Fordsons you can't have just one! Only thing that sucks with taking off the cleats, is the tractor ends up sitting tail down. Finding thick rubber helps alot.
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It is a 1925 Steve. An early one with a 456 serial so I have 2x 1925 F's

Had the wheels off and cleaned the bearings up but would seem the inner seal is dead and lets grease out but no big problem.

The rad leaks like a sieve so will need a new one. I have heard you could use an E27 radiator is this true?
I also have a core plug leaking water so not sure what to do about that or how I can replace them as I am sure they are copper?

Thank you G Willikers will fight getting the cleats off and then have a look around for some good thick rubber. I was thinking of vulcanised rubber such as on the traction engines but I expect that is a fair price.
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my thinking is it would be work getting all those lugs off., and then tractor wouldn't look right, i'm thinking find some square washers, bolt one on each cleat , lay flat iron band on ground, roll tractor on band, weld flat iron band to washer, roll tractor and weld to each washer as you go, cut and butt weld band together to complete circle, don't have to remove cleats, keeps correct height, doesn't damage tractor, bolt rubber to band if wish. win, win, as they say.
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Does anybody know how some of these end up with two wheels like that? I have a parts unit that came that way, looked like it had been that way for a long time. Won't they kind of pull sideways under load like that?
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Core plug[freeze plug/soft plug] should be soft steel.There are 2 types,cup style and flat[it will have a bit of a dome shape].I believe yours will be a flat type,measure outside diameter and should be available from any engine rebuilder or auto parts.The flat type is installed in hole against shoulder dome out then hit in center to expand.
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E27-N radiator core would be the same. In fact entire radiator would fit, but look odd.
Core plugs are 1 1/4" flat style. Below is a picture of the plug. Sealed Power part number is 381-1011. This was for a bag of 12. I purchased these at a local NAPA auto parts store. I replace these on every tractor, after a very intensive block flushing.
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I know that if you can find a store with a good Dorman old school drawer organizer system, they used to be stocking part for the drawers. Used to work in a parts store that had the metal ones and we had them by the piece.
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Does anybody know how some of these end up with two wheels like that? I have a parts unit that came that way, looked like it had been that way for a long time. Won't they kind of pull sideways under load like that?
I had thought it was just the rush to get it made for sale from the person I brought it off but they said they had seen a few others like that.

I had maybe thought if the implement/plough was facing the opposite way it would pull the tractor so put the wheels the other way round and it should equal it out? It would only pull in soggy conditions with a weight on the back I would guess?

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Great thank you everyone. Great to hear it is a "standard" part.... got to be one of the only widely available parts for the F

Great on the rad also I will get a new and make some gaskets up for it.

In regards to the wheels I am still not sure which way to go. I will have to keep an eye out for a set of normal ones that are the correct way round and probably get the cleats cut off of this set with a torch as that seems to be the cleanest and easiest way of doing it.
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Good looking old F. Good post, I'm still learning about the old fordsons. I haven't purchased one yet but I'm sure there will be one or maybe a couple in my future.
BTW nice looking 2n on steel you have there.

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Just thinking about your lug situation it seems they would have to been bolted on in the reverse position at some time in the past. I've never looked at a set to see if that is possible or not. Steve what do you think about this setup being backwards???? Ed B
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In regards to the cleats, I think this is a simple case of the left rear wheel was damaged in some way and replaced with a right wheel from another tractor. Could have been long ago, or just recently.
These rear wheels are of the 1920-1925 style that have distinct lefts and rights. I don't see extra holes, so I do not believe the cleats were swapped.
In 1926 the rims started to be drilled with both left an right patterns, and can be seen as 4 open holes straddling each cleat. So the wheel and rim could be used as a left or right. The cleats however remained distinct lefts and rights. If you ever tried to put a left cleat on a right wheel they just don't fit correctly. So even if you have a 1926 or newer wheel , and go thru the trouble of removing all the cleats, you can't put them back on the wheel with the opposite angle to turn a right hand wheel into a left hand wheel. You would need the correct left hand cleats. Don't ask how I learned this.
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Can I have a confirmation that these will fit and be ok please?

http://www.coreplugs.co.uk/index.php...&product_id=86

I will ask them if they can supply me some brass & copper ones also if the size is correct so I can do my factory return F correctly. It was certainly copper or brass from the factory.

Mild steel will be ok for my work horse though? I think stainless steel will be too much.

Another thing. Can I re-use the head gasket if I remove for inspection and if so is there anything I should do to it to allow for a good seal on refitting? a sealant?
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If it is the original style copper clad gasket it is reusable in my opinion.CAREFULLY remove with out prying or bending it.Old owners manuals recomended coating with grease.I have had good luck with Permatex coppercoat spray,have also used aluminum spray paint.I'm sure some will disagree on reuse but it was made to be reused.
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I am going to get some copper ones made so have ordered mild steel ones to tied me over. Thanks for heads up on re-use but this one has already be tampered with by the looks of it which may explain why it has leaked.
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On my Fordson N u used the rims of wooden wheels of an old horse drawn wagon. It are two halves now that are screwed together so they are easy to remove as i use the tractor for plowing sometimes. workes great and you can leave the wheels original.
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Gede 20 what a prachtige nice N you have, is it Cork made ? I like those long fenders with the toolboxes in it. What plow do you pull with it ?

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Hi Gerrit,
The plow is a Ransomes 2 wheeler
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Hi GeDe, I restored one a couple of years ago and traded it for a John Deere which performs better behind my JD GP.
The Ransomes plowed very wel, but the hitch lifted the plow up when the tractor wheel goes to a hole

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