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1929 Allis Chalmers Kerosene 20 35


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Default Re: 1929 Allis Chalmers Kerosene 20 35

Been working on the Allis and decided to do radiator first so took the top tank off and discovered a mouse hotel but unfortunately it gets worse. When taking the lower tank off 3 corners were cracked previously and broke off so I guess I'm in the market for a lower tank . But I suppose I could mayby cut pieces of steel to fit and braze them on?
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Their all broken on those flanges, we just made up some pieces and brazed them on. Trick is to preheat the whole casting.
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Keep your ears to the ground and maybe you can find a lower for your tractor. Otherwise, brazing some good cast back on is the best bet I suppose.
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I have sure had to weld a lot of those over the years, i actually mig weld such with preheat like mentioned above. Works pretty good, haven't had any problems.
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I've got 3 spare rads, Cody. I'll check and see if I have a good bottom tank. I'll put it with the seat pedestal if I do.
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Hi Cody. Checked the rads today and I have a few good bottom tanks.
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Thanx phil the problem is I'm not sure when I'm going to make it your way, I think I'm gunna have a go at fixing this one if I can
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Know of two 20-35's three piles west of my yard. One is running and one parts. Another 2 in Killarney area. Not sure where dealer was.
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Anyone know were to get the right roller bearings for the fan?
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Cody,
Do you have numbers off the bearings? Measurements?
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Not yet I haven't pulled it apart yet just thought I'd ask in case anyone knew
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Default Re: 1929 Allis Chalmers Kerosene 20 35

Cody, my original parts manual lists them as Timken Bearing C7523. That must be a number for a complete cup/cone assembly. You're probably best to see if there are any numbers showing on the bearings themselves.

I've never had to replace any of these on mine. If they're a little loose, they can be adjusted by removing the fan blades and adjusting the nut on the end of the spindle, much like a front wheel bearing. The felt seal in the back of the rear bearing usually is shot and the front gasket between the fan and the hub dries out and then the oil drains or is thrown out of the reservoir around the bearings. Some grease these instead of using oil.
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Default Re: 1929 Allis Chalmers Kerosene 20 35

Well the Allis threw a curveball. I started to take the water manifold off and both studs broke off inside the head and as you can see the second one took a chunk with it!!!!!!!. I'm assuming the one head will have to find a replacement but can the other one be fixed?
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Default Re: 1929 Allis Chalmers Kerosene 20 35

Those studs thread into a boss cast in the head but are usually threaded right through the head. When you remove the heads you can probably drill the remains out and clean up the threads. On the one that broke a piece out, you'll have to see how much broke out when you get the head off. It may be repairable. If not, I may still have an extra head or two laying around.
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Default Re: 1929 Allis Chalmers Kerosene 20 35

That stinks Cody! It's never fun to find something broken, or worse yet when you break it yourself
But we've all been there, and that is how we learn.
I've seen on one of the 20-35 threads here (Tony I believe?) where they fixed a head with a bad threaded section on the water manifold stud area by welding in a nut to the head to replace the broken out area. You may be able to to that with your broken head.
The first step is to get the head off and access what is all broken.

The one with the twisted off stud should be no big deal to fix, like Phil said drill it out and run a tap through to clean up the treads.

While we are talking water manifolds, I have a question. Looking through the parts book I see it calls for "Fibre Washer 1/2" I.D." E-157. To seal the brass nut to the water manifold. What puzzles me is it calls for 3 of these.
Why? Shouldn't there only be 2? Typo, Or am I missing something

Putting my '27 back together and this is one thing I don't think I have heard or read yet.

Thanks, and good luck! keep us posted what you find

Edit: Well, it must be a typo I think. I looked in one of my other manuals and it only calls for two in that one. Interesting note, back then they cost .05 each.
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What is the serial# of your 20-35? & thank you for sharing I also have a 29 20-35
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Hi Cody,

Wondering how things are going with your '29, did you get the heads off to see what things look like? I've been crossing my fingers for you.

I also wanted to pick your brain on how the tractor is set up being it is a Kerosene tractor. I'd like to learn more about this.
From the small starting tank on the left fender, does the gas line go down to the sediment bowl in the bottom of the fuel tank? So there is still only one line to the carb, correct?
Is the Kingston carb the same regardless of what fuel the tractor is set up for, just adjust the needle valve accordingly?
I suppose you haven't had a chance to play with actually running the tractor on kerosene yet, but do you plan on trying it?

For those that have, what do you use? Kerosene, Diesel, Jet Fuel, or a mixture, etc...?
Or is running kerosene a thing of the past, and everyone just runs them on gas? Seems finding a place that sells kerosene is tricky at best these days.
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Default Re: 1929 Allis Chalmers Kerosene 20 35

hey I haven't really had time to do much more to it but I hope too soon in a couple weeks maybe. I assume that the gas line went to the sediment bowl originally since there is only one fuel inlet in the carb. But all the lines and the sediment bowl were gone so I put a bowl and three way valve from a john deere so that I could run kerosene and I do plan to when I get the tractor up on its legs again. I have had good luck with Jet fuel or winter diesel as kerosene in Rumelys and everyone else that ive talked to says the same.
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I once owned a Kerosene 25-40 with the small starting gas tank on the left fender. The gas line went to the sediment bowl. There was a shut off valve at the bottom of the little gas tank. There was also a valve on the sediment bowl that opened and closed the big kerosene tank. I never used the big tank for fuel or ran it on kerosene so I don't absolutely know for certain how the whole thing worked, but as I recall there was an inlet line on the sediment bowl for the gas and an outlet line from the sediment bowl for either fuel to the carb. The sediment bowl threaded into the large kero tank. I think how it worked was that at start up the kero tank valve on the sediment bowl was turned off and the valve under the gas tank was opened. When the engine was sufficiently warmed up the kero tank valve was opened and the gas tank valve was closed, there would be a little blending until the gas was used up. To shut down I would think you would close the sediment bowl off and starve the tractor of kero so that at start up there would be purer gasoline. The 25-40 had a magneto off/on switch too, so I might be wrong on the shut off thing. That's how I think it went but like I said I am not 100% certain. The short answer is the kero model had a special sediment bowl designed for the switching of the different fuels.
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I once owned a Kerosene 25-40 with the small starting gas tank on the left fender. The gas line went to the sediment bowl. There was a shut off valve at the bottom of the little gas tank. There was also a valve on the sediment bowl that opened and closed the big kerosene tank. I never used the big tank for fuel or ran it on kerosene so I don't absolutely know for certain how the whole thing worked, but as I recall there was an inlet line on the sediment bowl for the gas and an outlet line from the sediment bowl for either fuel to the carb. The sediment bowl threaded into the large kero tank. I think how it worked was that at start up the kero tank valve on the sediment bowl was turned off and the valve under the gas tank was opened. When the engine was sufficiently warmed up the kero tank valve was opened and the gas tank valve was closed, there would be a little blending until the gas was used up. To shut down I would think you would close the sediment bowl off and starve the tractor of kero so that at start up there would be purer gasoline. The 25-40 had a magneto off/on switch too, so I might be wrong on the shut off thing. That's how I think it went but like I said I am not 100% certain. The short answer is the kero model had a special sediment bowl designed for the switching of the different fuels.
That is just like a McCormick- Deering.
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