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Hart Parr 18-36 Project Advice?


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Old 05-19-2017, 07:57:34 AM
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Default Hart Parr 18-36 Project Advice?

Hello all, I recently started working on my Hart Parr 18-36 and have run into some issues I could use advice on.

the end bearing of the cam shaft has a "sholder bolt" cast into it in which the eccentric for the oiler turns on. that stud has broken off and I have found a replacement. I am not sure how this end bearing comes off however. I cleaned up the gear on the end and it does not look like this can be removed from the shaft. does the bearing slide over it?
any help on how to get the old one out and the new one in would be great.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:14:44 AM
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I believe that gear is threaded in Left hand threads....
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:52:06 AM
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Awesome. I will take a look at it tonight and see if that is the case.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:40:03 AM
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That did work and I was able to get the bearing out.

Now onto my next issue. anyone know why on a Madison Kipp oiler, that a single line would fill up the cup instead of pumping?
Its acting like the line is plugged but oil does come out the other end every once and a while... not sure how to fix this.

any thoughts would be great.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:58:22 PM
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Question Re: Hart Parr 18-36 Project advise?

Somebody must have had that pump off and got a tooth out of time re assembling it. Db.
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take the line off on the bottom end and puke a #14 insulated wire thru the line it acts pluged
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:31:19 PM
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It is possible to put the eccentric in wrong causing pumps not to work but I would think yours is OK since half of it pumps. I do see a gap in the lower part of the picture so maybe take a look. I think you have an obstructed tube though.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:19:17 PM
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Sometimes if you turn up the adjuster all the way, and then pump the heck out of it, you can get it to clear itself. Otherwise, they are not that hard to work on, just fidgety things.
It might be worth pulling it apart to clean up all the pumps, inner passages, uptake screens, etc..
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Old 05-23-2017, 05:04:48 AM
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Hi Andy

There's a MK 50 fitted to my 1918 IHC Titan. It's well worth pulling the lubricator apart and thoroughly cleaning it, as it's such an important piece of kit.

Mine appeared fine, but worked so much better after it was cleaned and properly adjusted.

It's also interesting to see how it works, particularly as many of its patents are from Victorian times.

Roger
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I will give that a try but I don't think it is plugged.
| cleaned out the cup of oil and sprayed brakeclean down and tried pumping and it pumped out the breakclean like normal. Then tried it again with oil and it pooled in the cup again. I am using normal 10w-30 oil so I don't believe that is the issue but I will try to tear it apart a bit more. hopefully I can get it to take oil and try starting it as soon as I get the Mag back.
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I will have to take I look. I don't think it is plugged. I removed the oil from the cup and put breakclean in and turned the crank and the breakclean came out the other end but as soon as oil went in it just stopped. im using 10w30 oil so it shouldn't be too thick... not sure what the issue is...
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Old 05-23-2017, 09:15:28 AM
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Sounds like brakekleen is thin enough to go through but oil is not. I think maybe you have a partial blockage in that line. The last one I did a few weeks ago had bugs and their nests in the pipes.
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I did a Hart-Parr one for a friend a couple of years back. It was a mess, had water in it, and rust in a lot of the pumps. It took some time and work, but it is now a good runner! The little screws all had to come out of the pump bodies to get a fine wire in to poke out the crud, use air pressure, and cleaners.
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I ended up pouring breakclean down the cup and then turning the crank until it went into the pump. I then let it sit for a while to break down what ever gunk was in there and then pumped it out. It seems to be working now.

I also got my magneto Rebuilt by Rudy in Forrest Lake MN. He did a great job with it.

I have a little bit of work to do on the throttle valve and it should be ready to attempt starting this weekend hopefully.
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I got the tractor Running last weekend. It fired right up but I will need to replace the head gasket and a few other gaskets on the cooling system.


Anyone out there have a Primer Gas tank on the original style water valve for a hart parr 18-36. I've checked with Biewers tractor salvage and they don't have either at the moment. Any leads would be great. I want to get the tractor as complete as possible and then start on the restoration.

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I get my primer tanks from John Wanat from Connecticut, does a great job, has done 4 or 5 for me. If you need the measurements, let me know and I can draw you one up. Was pretty reasonably priced and EXCELLENT work. I made the straps myself and the wood blocks they sit on.
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I found some pictures of the valve I am in search of.

If anyone has one, please let me know.

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Default Re: Hart Parr 18-36 Project Advice?

Fairly sure that is not an original valve in the picture. Set up like the original, but not original valve.
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I found some pictures of the valve I am in search of.

If anyone has one, please let me know.

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If anyone has a picture of what an original looks like, or better yet has an extra, please send me the picture or let me know

andy
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Default Re: Hart Parr 18-36 Project Advice?

Andy, just stumbled across this forum. I have a partial 18-36 laying in the weeds. You can have the water valve if you haven't found one yet. And you are welcome to pattern off my primer tank as well. I'm just East of Hudson WI.
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