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Moline Universal Tractor,Moline Illinois


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All those bad stories, makes them even more interesting

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1919 Universal Model D


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we were back working on ours this weekend. frustrating. Nice hot, consistent strong spark into the distributor cap, no good spark out of the cap. retimed it, new cap, new rotor, new wires; still nothing.

The tractor was advertised as perfectly balanced, one man could easily lift the rear end to allow easy change of attachments. what this also meant was it didn't take much to flip the rear end on an incline.
I had a distributor do that and found the insulator for the wire going through the side was bad, also had one that the spring on the points touched the inside of the distributor once in awhile.
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Paul;
That electrical schematic looks fairly straight forward and typical. The generator and starter have 4 poles and brushes of opposite polarity located 90 deg apart as it should be. Only two brushes are necessary as on the generator shown when the armature is wound with a 'wave winding'. Four brushes could be used if current load was great enough. The diagram of the starter series field connection is a little confusing.
I would like to see information on the electric governor. The idea should work.
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The electric governor is based on the generator developing varying radial forces depending on output.
The entire generator is mounted on ball bearings at both ends so the entire unit is free to rotate within another housing.
As generator output changes rotational forces decrease and increase causing the generator to want to "twist" within the housing.
The governor lever is fairly long much like those on Pickering governors presumably to be more responsive due to the small amount of rotational travel allowed.
In addition there may be a light spring to load the governor, it's been a long time so I forgot, or it might simply be a counter weight thing.
In theory it was a good idea.
In reality it sucked.......
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In addition there may be a light spring to load the governor,
In theory it was a good idea.
In reality it sucked.......
There's a light spring pushing the generator to the "full throttle" position, through the throttle rod that is attached (solid) to the rear end of the "floating" generator. As a result, when starting you have to physically pull the spring loaded throttle/generator up, to the half throttle position, or listen to an over-rev startup, and hope that the engine slows down. Though the governor was very responsive (sometimes even responding correctly), any problem in the electrical system, caused the tractor to be a "parade only" vehicle. Craig's synopsis of the performance is correct.
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I have one of the early Model D tractors. I drilled the cap that has the spring in it that helps to keep the generator from hunting for the right speed and put a bolt in there with a lock nut. That way it will not let it go wide open and risk a thrown rod. That was very common in the event of the generator not working. It also keeps it from being wide open throttle on startup. The governor does work on my tractor.
We live in the mountains of Tennessee and my yard has a steep hill. When I got it running several years ago I took it up the hill to see how it would pull. When I got close to the top of the hill the tractor shut off. I turned the steering wheel back and forth and got it turned around to go back down the hill. On the way down I thought I would let out on the clutch and start it again. That was not a good idea. The back of the tractor came up off the ground with me on it. The wheels were about 2 feet off the ground by the time I got the clutch disengaged. My heart was pounding and I thought I was going to die that day. I had read about the people being killed in the barns by the rear of the tractor going up and crushing them in the loft floor. I see how easy that could happen. I will never try anything like that again. Thank God I didn't panic and thought to disengage the clutch very fast. It all happened very fast. They are much safer on flat ground. Not that we have a lot of flat ground around here. Be safe.
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Fred, glad you kept your wits about you and lived through a very dangerous situation. I once saw the results of a guy, on a modern tractor, pulling a log uphill and snagging on a root. Not pleasant! Ours is a dangerous hobby and that danger is compounded by 1920 and earlier stuff.

I used to operate the Frike brother's Model D at Mount P. Their governor always worked perfectly....around the racetrack that is the parade ground. I think we all agree that the early stuff had to be awful to farm with (by today's standards), working correctly or not. We use the Mahindra chore tractor to pull the 35/70 Minnie from its barn. If it wasn't for the "Gee Whiz" factor and love of the past, I'd stay on the Mahindra. Be safe.
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It's hard for me to pass over a Moline Universal thread- - - - and then on this one, I get the "exciting" report from Fred on his downhill starting attempt.

Somewhere-- - - I have a Moline advertisement showing a man holding up the rear of the tractor by hand. (musta been a balance point there somewhere!!!)

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