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What is this mystery winch thing?


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Old 09-01-2017, 09:39:53 PM
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Default Re: What is this mystery winch thing?

Looks to have been a tricycle or row crop tractor
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Old 09-01-2017, 09:51:41 PM
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yes Phil, cool things have a way of finding me, LOL! And yes I'd LOVE to drag home ALL the cool old junk, er I mean valuable antiques I find, but I have to limit myself to a certain point, ya know?

I very much like a mystery, and this still really has me stumped.
Doing some more Google searches of pull type combines, oil rigs, well rigs, etc... and I find things SIMILAR to this mystery thing, but nothing matches, or makes sense (at least to me).

Pat, the well rig of some sort is what I keep coming back to myself. But the drive wheel chained to the pulleys is what screws that idea up for me. A well rig would be stationary correct? Can anyone confirm or deny that drill rigs would be like this? And if so, PLEEEASE explain it to me

This is driving me nuts, I don't like it when I can't figure something out
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Default Re: What is this mystery winch thing?

I am thinking more along the line of a hay or sheaf loader. Do you know if there is an idler gear between the two visible gears. There is a shift mechanism that appears to slide the pulleys into mesh with either the chain or the gear drive. If it has idler gears that would reverse the pulley rotation when shifted.
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I am thinking more along the line of a hay or sheaf loader. Do you know if there is an idler gear between the two visible gears. There is a shift mechanism that appears to slide the pulleys into mesh with either the chain or the gear drive. If it has idler gears that would reverse the pulley rotation when shifted.
Yes, that is how the pulley shift mechanism works. I should have explained it better.
If it is slid one way it rotates clockwise, if slid to the other way it rotates CCW.
Then each pulley is independent of the other, meaning as far as I can see one side of the machine is completely independent of the other side.

A hay or sheaf loader is something I had not considered, and at this point I'll take any suggestion I can get.

I also briefly thought about a steam engine cable plow thing of some sort, but don't really think that is the answer either?

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Another thing that keeps throwing me off is the width of this thing. It is super narrow. Most old machinery is super wide. Like hay loaders, pull behind combines, pull road graders, even smaller things have room between the frame rails for "stuff" like in potato diggers, etc... heck even engines need a little room.

The narrowness of this has got to be a clue
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Default Re: What is this mystery winch thing?

Maybe a Short Turn tractor or as simple as a tree planter. Never seen a Short Turn in person but small pic shows a lever lift setup and three wheels. Maybe! That's a wide range of thoughts. If it wasn't a tractor would be great start to a well made homemade one if you were to build one.
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More good ideas Adam, the bogie wheel is similar to a Square Turn tractor, though not it from the pics I have seen.
And the thought of making a home made tractor out of it HAS crossed my mind through this process, just what I need, another project


Talking it over with a friend this morning, we have a plausible idea. If the whole rig was pivoting around a central pivot point by the rear end, and the bogie wheel was up front, a team of horses could pull this thing in a circle.
Then the drive wheels would be spinning, and the pulleys too, so a well for example could be pulled?
That make sense?
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Default Re: What is this mystery winch thing?

I'm thinking thats a push header or push binder. Only thing that makes me hesitate to be sure is the steerable small wheel.
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it is part of an early Fordson tractor early 1900's

see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWJn2wD9JQ
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That Fordson bogie wheel is again similar, but not a dead match, and the rest is different too, but keep the ideas coming, I'm all ears!

If it were some type of binder or whatever, how does that explain all the pulleys And again, I'm thinking it is too narrow for those ideas?

But I don't know what it is, so I can't definitively shoot down what is isn't

hummmm...
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How about a pull ripper or subsoiler ? The pulley arrangement would raise and lower
the shank(s).
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