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Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors


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Old 04-09-2011, 11:55:09 AM
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Default Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors

Does anyone have any information or, better yet, pictures on the 20 or 25 hp Kinnard Haines two-cylinder tractors? Info is little to non-existant on the two-cylinder but maybe someone has seen something in an early magazine/publication like American Thresherman.

I am especially looking for bore and stroke sizes and placement of the crank throws but ANY information would be welcomed.

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Ben ,talk to the Flatmoe boys they put one of these together a while back. F J W
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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines tractors

When you say early, how early do you mean? And is it a Kinnard Haines tractor, or a Kinnard Haines Flour City that you're looking for?
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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines tractors

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Ben ,talk to the Flatmoe boys they put one of these together a while back. F J W
That was a Flour City Junior.......

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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines tractors

My thought is Ben is not refering to the Flour City Jr. I have been told by one person that Kinnard Haines/Flour City made a two cylinder horzontal engine and placed it on self propelled trucks. They know this to be true as they have an original tri-fold Flour City brochure showing this tractor. We have all seen pictures of the single cylinder horizontal gas engines that Kinnard Haines put on trucks to make some of their very first tractors. As I mentioned this brochure shows a two cylinder version of this. If I make a drive I can see this brochure. Just have not done so.
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Yes, Bruce, that is correct. It would be somewhere between 1900 and 1907 when they built their first tractors.

It would be great to see what that brochure shows. It's nice to know at least a picture exists of one.
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Hi Ben, You can PM me if you wish. My hope is to get a lazer copy of this brochure. You have a valve cage or something from an early model such as this don't you?
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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors

Here is an ad from a 1904 Canadian Thresherman. It is believed that one of these was one of the first gas tractors ever sold in western Canada?
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There may have been a twin later on. The catalog I have only shows singles. The 25 stationary was a single.

It will be interesting to see what Bruce finds out.

The fools thought the gasoline engine would replace steam.
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More Flour City scans
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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors

The last scans

In the last scan you can see the stamp of the local dealer, P.J.Nyberg. My grandfather bought a 1912 Flanders touring from him. Then a 2 1/2 Gade engine in 1913 and a Bull Tractor with a J.I.Case Plow Co. 3 bottom in 1917.

My brother has the Flanders now.
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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors

Here are a couple of catalog illustrations of the twin cylinder version of the early Kinnard Haines tractor Tom posted above. I know about the single cylinder tractor that still exists but these are the only photos/drawings I've ever found of the two cylinder version.
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Anybody got a pic they can post of the single cylinder that still exists???? Man, that's gotta be an oldie!
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Photo from David Parfitt

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Probably a good time to ask again whether anyone knows the present whereabouts of this tractor? Is it still in Washington or has it moved on?

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Here are a few photos from about 25 years ago and the gray haired gentleman in the first and last photo is Oscar Kinnard. His Grandfather and Father were the builders of that tractor. He had many stories about the company and their tractors. Oscar was a very interesting man to know and had many stories about the company and their tractors. I always enjoyed my conversations with him and his perspective on the early tractor industry. The young boy in the third photo (now in his mid 30s) is the son of the owner of that tractor. The more recent photos of it like the one above, show that the tractor must have been moved because it is no longer sitting in the corner of a cow yard. To say that Oscar was upset about the condition of the tractor and how it was being taken cared of would be a major understatement . . . . . I'm with Oscar on that!! It may be the oldest US made gas tractor in existence and deserves better. As far as I know, the tractor is still in the same family's hands out in Washington.
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Roger, what size Flour City gas engine is that? Looks pretty big. Our family owns a 8 to 10 HP portable engine. Thanks for the pictures!!!
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Jeff, it was a 12HP. There was no cylinder, head or piston but I literally had every other part to it including the ignition/valve cage and original oil cups. I gave up on it (my mistake) and sold to the Withers family of Osakis, Minnesota over 20 years ago. I don't know if they ever got it together but they had one with a cylinder but few of the other parts. Maybe they made one out of the two or possibly found/cast the needed parts and ended up with two engines. I know with the tremendous skill/shop Jim and Kevin had, they could accomplish the work needed. . . I never heard how things turned out.
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Does anyone have any new information, pictures, or parts to finish this tractor? Parts numbers are a capital H or K followed by a two digit number.





We're going to build a tractor around this intake assembly.
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