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Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors


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Old 11-24-2014, 11:35:57 AM
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Benjamin..Is that a Gaspull Radiator in Pic # 3 ?
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Neat looking pile of iron. Not many of those left - what else did you find hiding in there?
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Old 11-24-2014, 12:14:51 PM
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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors

To most people that would look like a lot of junk. To me it looks like treasure!! Reminds me of Stan Reynolds yard here towards the end, where those front wheels came from.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:10:33 PM
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Ed, yes that is Gaspull. There were a few small Gaspull parts I picked up but left the radiator.

Chris, there was a lot of neat stuff there. Sadly there were only a few good parts that I saw. I'm not sure if they scrapped everything there or if some things were picked up from other places. We found odd parts for stationary engines, few steam engines, 45 Mogul, Hart Parr, 20-35 Flour City, 10-20 Titan, Waterloo Boy, Little Bull, Huber, 1910 Maxwell car, 1915 Harley Davidson. You get your hopes up when you find a part and it turns out there were only a few parts on the whole place.

We walked past this clutch drum a few times before we dug out and realized what it was. It had a ring pressed on it which made it look like something from the 40s.


Some parts we found after about a 4 hour dig. There is a Flour City cam lobe sitting in the drum.


We found 3 Flour City parts in this pile. Usually a pile this size averaged 1 part.


Flour City main bearing caps were found under a car engine.
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Keep digging! Maybe the rest is just buried!
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Old 11-25-2014, 09:19:19 PM
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Default Re: Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors

It amazes me that you are able to pick out these little bits and pieces among that pile of iron. Way to go guys!

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Old 11-26-2014, 10:15:13 PM
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More digging!

It amazes me too, Frank. When we found the first parts we knew we had to look for castings with an H or K part number. Another interesting thing they did was center punch flat iron parts where a bend was supposed to go. Other than that it was just looking for parts that looked the right vintage.

Joseph found the largest single pile buried along the fence. The tractor was probably piled up here after they scrapped it out. We think that they did the scrapping in front of the old blacksmith shop and hauled the "maybe we can use this later" parts out back for saving. Also, as the parts pile in the shop got too big to walk around they hauled it outside too. This could explain why we found a tractor part or two in each group of iron outside. We found a few small parts still in the blacksmith shop and one of the connecting rod bearing halves under a hydraulic press in the new shop.


The parts were layered and hooked together so when one came out the rest followed. Here you can see the bottom cam bearing, rocker arm stand, spark cage that bolts between the carb and head, steering wheel bracket, and a cylinder water jacket cover.


Clutch lever, all the brake parts, fender brackets, bull gear braces.
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It's more of one than any one else still living has ever seen, more than was even known of one. If I may ask how did you find or learn that there was one wrecked out there. I do feel that with the fact that you are still young enough and that coupled together with the new availability of resources to recreate the rest of it, you can get it together again in your lifetime. Good hunting. F.J.W.

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Hello ,
This is a great thread Benjamin, thanks for sharing !
In post # 13 , the rocker arm looks to be pivot over the valve on the RH cylinder , i guess these two valves are opened by the
one , lets call it a "push / pull" rod, what i'am getting at is ,
this engine may have both pistons traveling the same way
( cranks set360 , like a IHC Titan twin ) the valves push pull rod ,may have been operated by an eccentric with a lot of lost motion ,
If the crank pins are set 180 for good balance, then the valves need to open 1/4 of a turn of the camshaft apart , this would be very near impossible using push -pull rod and a cam with one lobe , or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
so is the cam lobe in the clutch drum K-H ?
Below is pics of an F-C , spotted @ Coolspring 2012 ,
PS . What model Hart -Parr is the camshaft for, on the forks ?
PPS, the side view pic #13 , shows the flywheel has counter weight cast in the rim ,so the cranks maybe set 360
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What I see picked out of the iron pile in the pics above casts a shadow.....so when are we going to see it restored?
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Frank, it was found mostly by accident. Dad bought a D John Deere from his nephew who introduced us. Walking through the iron piles I spotted the carburetor which I knew to be Flour City. Now, years later, we were able to get the parts.

Stuart, I'll post some more pictures so you get a better picture. I was thinking the same things before we found all the small cam parts. The HP camshaft is 30-60 I believe. It went to someone else's current project.

Mike, I think you will see some progress about a year from now. I'd like to gather some more information before I commit to a design.

One cam lobe was in the new shop and the other was in the blacksmith shop. These were great to find. Now we know it had a 360 crank.


Some of the cam parts set together to get an idea of the assembly. On the portable engines the inside cam operated the ignitor. Here they both operate the exhaust valves. Notice the boss on the outside face of the cam bearing. Because this engine has sparkplugs it would have to have a timer mounted somewhere. This seems as good of place as any?


Rocker arm stand from the pile and valve from the blacksmith shop for the left hand cylinder.


Some parts found in the old blacksmith shop. Part of the second connecting rod, a push rod end, and a connecting rod bolt. I have no idea what the other part is but it has an H part number that looks like it fits with the rest.
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What model Hart -Parr is the camshaft for, on the forks ?
Stuart.
Probably a 30-60 Hart Parr although could be for the earlier 22-40.
It's also possible it could be for the even earlier 17-30.
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We are almost into the year 2015. It just blows me away that we can still find parts for these early outfits!
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What a great find and interesting reading. Thanks for sharing and I will be looking for. Congratulations on the find!!!
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Here is a picture of the clutch set together. Note one of the transmission gears sitting on the pallet. We found two of the three which provide the forward and reverse.


Almost a complete connecting rod. It's 4 ft. long from end to end!


We found this in the same pile with the other parts. I believe it is what is left of the spark saver. The two plungers are spaced the same distance apart as the push rods.


Here is a spark saver on a portable Flour City engine for comparison.
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Pretty top notch scrounging I would say!!!
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^ I don't know about that Bruce.......you're no slouch in that department either.......
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Benjamin in post #47 you mention that the flat irons were center punched where they were to be bent. This is a layout technique that a now deceased machinist taught me. When your metal is not clean or has some rust on it the center punch mark is easier to find than a scribe mark or the mark from some pencils. They may not have had soap stone available for their layout work. Thanks for the great thread and good luck.
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Interesting comments on the center punch marks. My Flour City Jr had the center punch marks on the flat iron bends as well. Didn't register with me as to why they were there until I read this!
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Hi Benjamin this thread is giving all of us a lot of enjoyment. keep digging until you've worked a whole week and not found any more relevant parts. Having assembled a few pieces from parts Iknow theres always afew parts left when you think your done . GOOD LUCK ! Clyde
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