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Early style two-cylinder Kinnard Haines Tractors


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It's not a twin but it's still a nice picture.



Thanks for cleaning it up Craig!
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Does anyone know with any solid information from any original paper what the bore size was in a 12hp Flour City engine??
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back to the top. my catalog scans in this thread.
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Anyone know how many of these early units were built? A few, dozens, hundreds? Aparently they managed to export a few, I've never really heard any history of these and would like to learn more, thanks. Is Mr Oscar Kinnard still around? F.J.W.
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I first got to know Oscar (his full name is Oscar B. Kinnard Jr.) in the early 1980's and we talked/corresponded until the early 1990s. I believe he was in his 70's when we first met. He no longer responded to any letters by the mid 1990s but I never heard from anyone about his passing. If he is still around he would surely be in his late nineties. I will tell you this, where ever he is, he has a big smile on his face knowing that tractor will now to be protected and brought back to life!!
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I guess this photo belongs in this thread since it is a photo of the two cylinder Flour City tractor.

I also posted a link to an April 1906 ad for Flour City portable and traction engines. This ad first appeared in the March 1906 Gas Power issue and continued through the rest of the 1906 issues. I have also seen this ad in some 1907 Gas Power issues, and it may have run until 1908 timeframe when they went to the 4 cylinder vertical tractors. Kinnard-Haines did not have any ads before this in the 1904 & 1905 Gas Power full year volumes I have.

Regarding numbers, this ad indicates that there are 150 tractors in use and 1000 engines. Could be embellishment? I sure wish there were more surviving tractors!



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Great pictures Jeff, apparently the company was just getting started and production was pretty low yet. The lack of info on the beginings of Kinnard and their first production is going to make it next to impossible to put an accuratedate on the survivor as they probably didn't change much on these during their production run. F.J.W.
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Frank, thanks!

Here is a good article on Flour City tractors written by Bill Vossler: http://www.farmcollector.com/tractor...-in-field.aspx

I've started to piece together the following timeline from various sources. Maybe someday I'll put all this info into a single web-site with advertisements and photos to go along? )

1882: Kinndard-Haines Co. formed when O.B. Kinnard & Albert Haines opened machine shop to produce shingle mill machinery.
1889: Named changed to Kinnard Press Co. when company started to specialize in hay presses
1896: Started working on gas engines
1897: First marketed their gas engines in the spring (I believe this is their early stle, shown bottom right in BYB page: 264; I know of one engine that exists)
1897: Started working on gas tractors with maybe 4 built in 1898 and 28 in 1899 (unconfirmed)
1898: "Flour City" trademark was adopted for their engines (The 1 early style engine I've seen has Kinnard Press Co. & "Flour City" on the tag)
1898: Aug. 25, 1899 issue of Farm Implements magazine, company announces that new style of engine & tractor will be ready Jan 1, 1900 (I believe this is when they switched to the more familiar style of Flour City engines, which were used on their first tractors. Article says tractor has 66" rear wheels, which would make the tractor a 20 or 25 HP according to early dimension charts)
1900: 25 HP tractor was demonstrated at Minnesota State Fair, which aligns with advertisement for tractor with 66" rear wheels (maybe this was really 1901?)
1901: Changed name back to Kinnard-Haines Co. as their focus was on engines and tractors and no longer hay presses. (I know of one later style 3HP Flour City with a Kinnard Press Co. "Flour City" tag before the name changed)
1901: Flour City engines and tractors demonstrated at Minnesota State Fair on March 1901
1905/1906: I believe around this timeframe they 1) switched from piston water pump to chain driven water pump, 2) stopped making the dog houses, and 3) went to double cylinder model for the 20 & 25 HP tractors while retaining single cylinder model for their 8, 12, and 16 HP tractors.
1906: March 1906 ads claim 1000 engines and 150 tractors in operation.
1908: Developed (6-1/4 x 7) 4-cylinder vertical engine for the tractor line and introduced the Flour City 30 tractor
1908: Stopped producing gasoline engines around this timeframe
1910/1911: Release 3 tractor models:
• Flour City 40-70 (7-1/2 x 9) 4-cylinder engine
• Flour City 30-50 (6-1/4 x 7) 4-cylinder engine (same as original Flour City 30)
• Flour City 20-35 (5-1/4 x 6) 4-cylinder engine
1915: "Kinnard" Four-Plow tractor comes out (produced through 1917)
1917/1918: Company name changed to Kinnard & Sons Manufacturing Co.
1918: Flour City Junior tractor comes out rated at 12-20 with a (6-1/2 x 7) 2-cylinder vertical engine
1918: 15-25 (5x5) 4-cylinder engine model tractor comes out (produced through 1919)
1919: Improved Flour City Junior comes out rated at 14-24
1925: O.B. Kinnard died
1927: Flour City tractors listed in tractor directors through 1927
1929: Company purchased by Bros Steel Products Co.
1934: Flour City parts available through 1934
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as big a deal as it was back then to get a tractor did anyone go back into newspaper archives from back then from that area? Maybe this was sugested already.(I guess I should have posted this on the other tread now that I looked at the title)

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Several years ago I purchased this unique bit of Flour City history that dates from the 1910 era. At the time it was a "dear purchase"! Now I am glad that I have the piece. It is a bit newer than what this post pertains to, but I think you will enjoy seeing the scans. The letterhead could possibly contain the only known signature of Albert Haines, partner and brother-in-law of Oscar B. Kinnard. The fact that the original brochure, the letterhead and the mailing envelope are all together is quite nice! If you wish, I can open the brochure and scan the pages two at a time. Postmark is November 15th, 1910.
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