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Old 09-26-2018, 08:54:54 AM
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When were Power Products 2-cycle engines introduced? Was it early enough that they may have been used on small collapsible scooters in WW II?

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late 40s??

Ive collected some pictures & some look to be from around then. there is another cast aluminum scooter that uses a P.p. engine called the Argyle because it folds up diagonally to be a pilots carry on. The chunky style use of aluminum castings reminds me of army surplus or aviation oriented equipment like an apu "Auxiliary power unit engine for aircraft" Ive heard what would happen is the same companies would use up there surplus & make scooters/outboards & things or continue production for other applications. These engines share quite a deep style fingerprint with a few other engines that were being made like R.EO., Lauson, Jacobsen ect. The magnetos, coils & points are some VERY nice kit & use an abundance of hardware & higher quality materials unique to this era & style. Lots of brass, solder, Bakelite, leather, Felt, braided wire, glass, cork & potmetal. I had a 1,0oo series engine once & found one of the flat head screws was drilled through for a locking wire... method used commonly in aviation industries.

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That engine looks like a PP model 1000, 1950s vintage Earlier engines used no aluminum cover on the flywheel. There should be a label on top of the shroud, with the model # on it. 16:1 oil mix for the motor. if it is a model 1000, you can use modern lubes in it (roller bearinged engine). personally, I would use SAE 30 Non-detergent or TCW-3 OIL.
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I don't think Power Products engines were built before 1946. I have a Tillotson Carburetor listing of companies and dates for different carburetors used on engines and Power Products does not show up until 1946. If they were in business before then they would have used aa different carburetor brand.
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From what I can read it looks like the engine is Model AH47.
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Didn't Tecumseh acquire Lauson and Power Products at the same time - mid '50s?.
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Yes they were purchased about the same time. If I remember correctly Lauson was owned by Hart Parr when Tecumseh purchased them, not sure if Power Products was also owned by Hart Parr or if it was from another purchase.
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Hello
I have what I believe is a pp ah47 my question is what goes in the airbreather cup and is there a cover for the cup? Any pics would help also.
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Those air cleaners usually had an element in them that was very similar to a scouring pad. The pad would be soaked in oil with the excess drained off. The dirt would then stick to the oil and not enter the engine. The pad would have been retained in the housing by a piece of hardware cloth cut to fit the opening with a springy piece of wire snapped in the groove to prevent it from falling out. A piece of oily foam rubber would also work.
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dont forget a screen under the element to prevent entering the carb.
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