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Deep cycle battery recomendations


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Old 02-01-2014, 08:46:07 PM
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Default Deep cycle battery recomendations

Not for home, but similer application. I have tried "deep cycle" batterys from major mfg that are based on automotive batterys (case and construction) and found them to be very poor in deep cycle applications.
I am looking for around 500 to 600 amp/hrs at 12 volts (four batterys). The problem I am running into is my battary box is limilted in height so a 12" high battery is about all I can use. Looking to keep discharge well below 50% of battery capacity.
The duty cycle is 5-8 amp adv draw for 12 hrs with a 12 hr recharge cycle at 55 amps max on a constant voltage type charge. Max discharge amps are may be 75 amps for a few miniutes.
I am looking at:
http://www.standardbatteryinc.com/co...oducts/us12vxc
but am open to suggestions.
I would love to find true deep cycle construction, rather then lead paste on fiberglass substrate.
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

This is not as cheap as the ones you listed I find you get what you pay for.
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/c...neSealedAGM|3|
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

Look up Edison batteries. They make these still 100% discharge rate last for ever.
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

Here you go $$$
http://ironedison.com/
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

I've worked in the battery biz and one manufacturer stands out.. And it's not junk from China. http://www.trojanbattery.com/

Give these guys a call. And freight isn't expensive. http://www.sbsbattery.com/
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This is not as cheap as the ones you listed I find you get what you pay for.
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/c...neSealedAGM|3|
Interstate is made like an automtoive starting battery, and no better then the ones I've tried. Lead paste on fiberglass substrate.
I can't afford the edison cells either in size, weight nor price. This is why I'm looking at flooded cell lead acid.
I have experance with Trojon and Deka (East Penn) both are just OK in my book.
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:25:42 PM
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

This one is also expensive, but these are the ones that I think I will be purchasing when the time comes. I will either by these, or get some golf cart batteries....
http://www.wholesalesolar.com/produc...etterolls.html
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:18:58 PM
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

I'm assuming you do not want flooded wet cell batteries? AGM or GEL cells would be the way to go for longevity. What type of charger are you using? These batteries have specific charging requirements. A constant voltage is one subject, but constant current is very bad for any battery. A true multi stage capable charger is needed for what you want to do.

I'm assuming you are setting up a power inverter (sine wave?) and battery bank? When you say 5-8 amp average draw...is that AC amps or DC amps?
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:21:31 PM
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

No, flooded wet cell is fine. I am useing a common automotive chargeing system. looked into those multi stage voltage regulators but the cost and the fact there will other DC loads rule it out.
The amps are DC load.
I went with the cells listed as the supplier stated they were lead plate and not like most automotive starting batterys (lead paste on fiberglass substrate).
Just looking to get the most bang for the buck.
Just wish I had the room for individual industrial cells.
The batterys provide for 'hotel" loads when the engine is off, and provide voltage stabilization when the the engine is on.
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

Your application makes sense. Do you have a separate alternator for the battery bank you will be using when you say automotive style charging system? 5-8 average amps means you will have about 80 watts AC at any given time pulling from the batteries. peak demands are 750 watts AC for a few minutes I see.

Someday I'd like to have a similar setup for the home. For charging off the grid an IOTA smart charge unit is perfect, up to 90 amps DC at 12-14 volts roughly in one unit which can be paralleled for more. Off grid charging I could use my generator to power the battery charger too. I find solar panels too costly given the inefficiency of them, especially the ones priced for us mere mortals.
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The system is on a semi tractor, with a 75 amp brushless alternator. The battery pack is the only batterys in the truck. It has a mechiancal engine with air start (doesn't need any electricity to start [U]or[U] run. There are minor load while the truck is running, but shut off the main draw is a diesel fired heater and blower (DC loads) I'll pull 80 amps for a short while when boiling water for coffee in the morn, but I start the truck (to biuld air pressure) when I'm doing that so the act draw on the battery at that point is closer to 35 amps, with the alternator picking up the rest.
During warmer weather, it run a table fan at night off an inverter, but the load is similer to the heater.
I have run this system for several years now, and I am just trying to come up with the best batterys for the space and money.
So far I am happy with the choice, just have to see how long they last.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:45:12 PM
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

I have had them in the truck for several weeks now, and am pleased. I'll just have to see how long they last. I definately notice the differance between the old set (when new) at 500 amp/hr and the new at 620 amp/hr.
Before, when in extreme cold (below 0 deg f) I notice the capaicty drop off rapidly, with these the extra capacity really shows it self when the temp drops, I loose less. Hopefully this will translate into longer life as well.
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

You'll see just that... the chemical reaction that makes the battery work, varies with temperature. Remember back when... an extreme cold start shouldn't be done without first turning the headlights on for a minute or two... doing so, caused enough current to flow in the battery to warm the electrolyte and plates, hence, improving it's ability to produce large currents.

The potential issue I see here, however, is that you're placing these in a road-travelling vehicle... and if you're still travelling roads in it, the battery NEEDS to be a type that's allowed for DOT-approved service AND, can tolerate the vibration, shock, and thermal variation of that environment. Clearly, a huge Trojan won't do, nor will glass/iron batteries.

The other issue I see, is that you're wanting a 50% discharge curve. Lifespan of a battery basically rests upon the max discharge level... the deeper a cell is discharged, the shorter it's life becomes. If you can reconfigure for say... 25% max discharge, the cell life will increase substantially...
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:21:20 AM
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

you miss understand me, I want LESS then 50% which is why I have such a large battery pack for a small load.
I have yet to see any "DOT" rateing on any battery sold. There are requirement on securement, but not battey type. Viberation is an issue but will see how these last.
I am well aware of cold effecting output, another reason to oversize. Turning on lights is a myth, esp with low discharge amp draws like I have. Anyway mine start their dischage cycle after a day of chargeing anyway, so should be warmer then ambiant temp.
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

"Turning on lights is a myth"

You've got that right. I used to own a '55 Chrysler with a big fat ole' V8, 6 volt-positive ground and it sat outside in 25 below winters. Break-free current was around 1000 amps, cranking around 700. Terminal voltage was around 4.5 so I was losing about 1 volt due to internal resistance at load - that's 700 watts, not enuf to warm the battery squat. Forget about a couple of dinky headlights. Matter of fact - you can discharge a full lead-acid cell with a short circuit to 0 volts dead and barely warm the battery up. That's the reason lead acid cells are hard to find a substitute for - almost no internal resistance. Charging is a totally different story - you can cook a lead-acid cell quickly with overcharging. Very different heat balance going on.
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

Look up C&D Batteries. They make pretty good station service batteries. We have them up at work in both flooded lead acid and sealed.
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Default Re: Deep cycle battery recomendations

This may not be what you need but I have had one set last 12 years and am on a new set now I expect 13 + years of service. They are not cheap. I have supplier in Fla. as I can no longer buy direct.

http://www.rollsbattery.com/content/...ions-renewable
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My hands down choice for lead acid batteries is EXCIDE. They made the Die Hard for Sears. The have deep cycle cells.
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