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Old 02-06-2007, 02:23:43 PM
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I've got quite a few books, but none cover "How to operate a Boiler." i.e. starting, running and what to do when we get close to the envelope and have ran out of 's

Hopefully someone out there can recommend a good book.

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Abe Books gives you access to a lof of good old stuff.
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Audels Engineers & Mechanics Guide and Audels Power Plant Enginnering are a good book set/book with sections on boiler operation. Some of the International Correspondence School (ICS) textbooks are also good.

I have seen these on ePay but got mine at flea markets/swap meets.

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Rick,
Are there any steam schools out your way? Why not just go out and run a boiler with an instructor? Experience is a great teacher!

Good luck, you've got a great looking setup!
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Old 02-07-2007, 05:30:02 PM
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Maggard's "Rough and Tumble Engineering" is a great book (and fun to read, too!)...Even old heads can learn a few new things in it. I'll pick up little stuff I missed even reading it the 10th time through.
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Patrick, I've got and read Audels "Engineers and Firemans Exam." Will keep an eye out for those you mentioned.

Brad, no steam school in this neck of the woods to my knowledge. OJT is definetly my way of learning and did spend a few days on a setup similiar to ours. Had a good time and learned a lot.

Allen, will try to locate that book.

'preciate it guys!!
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:58:34 PM
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You should enroll in the "20 reeves Highwheeler Engineering Institute" with professor Yeager. You will learn a thing or two. When it comes to written material the "Steam Engine Guide" is pretty good and I highly recommend the Case steam engine manual for a simple explanation of the traction engine put into plain words. Remember that these are old texts and some ideas have changed and some were wrong when they wrote them. I got a book at steam school a few years ago "Traction Engines and How to Run Them" (i think) that recommend that the engineer run the engine up to governed speed and quickly engage the clutch to get out of a tough spot. Most engineers agree that this is poor practice. The texts a a valuable reference but they should not be taken as the gospel.
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do you want to know how to design and build these things, or do you actually want practical knowledge on their operation???

suppose you were on an engine and the injector wouldn't take. what would be of more use to you, knowing what the injector looks like on the inside from the cutaway in a book, OR knowing that 99% of injector trouble comes from leaking joints and packing or too hot of water????????? EXTERNAL factors.

my point is the trouble 9 times outta 10 can be remedied without tearing into the injector, but a "newbie" may be inclined to rip it apart because he saw pictures of the guts in books and was distracted from the info.

most books are filled with diagrams and crap that don't mean a damn thing to a green engineer. once you grasp the concepts of safe operation and such there is no harm in pursueing more "learn'n". i'd start with q & a books with little or no pictures, and work up to the valve gear diagrams cutaways ect., ect... and always quiz yourself.

one thing i have noticed in a few ancient books is they ask what an engineer should do first thing when they take charge of a (hot) boiler. a few books i've read say trace out piping. i think that is boogus and the correct answer should be assess the water level, make sure the glass is clear and the cocks work and make sure all feeders are working. wuddaya think?
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JBoogie,
Everything you just said sounds like it was read right out of "Rough and Tumble Engineering". It's a darn good read that does exactly what you say, skips teaching someone how to build an engine and goes directly to how to safely operate it.

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ROUGH AND TUMBLE ENGINEERING
By James H. Maggard

PREFACE_______

In placing this book before the public the author wishes it understood that it is not his intention to produce a scientific work on engineering. Such a book would be valuable only to engineers of large stationary engines. In a nice engine room nice theories and scientific calculations are practical. This book is intended for engineers of farm and traction engines, "rough and tumble engineers," who have everything in their favor today, and tomorrow are in mud holes, who with the same engine do eight horse work one day and sixteen horse work the next day. Reader, the author has had all these experiences and you will have them, but don't get discouraged. You can get through them to your entire satisfaction.

Don't conclude that all you are to do is to read this book. It will not make an engineer of you. But read it carefully, use good judgment and common sense, do as it tells you, and my word for it, in one month, you, for all practical purposes, will be a better engineer than four-fifths of the so-called engineers today, who think what they don't know would not make much of a book. Don't deceive yourself with the idea that what you get out of this will be merely "book learning." What is said in this will be plain, unvarnished, practical facts. It is not the author's intention to use any scientific terms, but plain, everyday field terms.

There will be a number of things you will not find in this book, but nothing will be left out that would be of practical value to you. You will not find any geometrical figures made up of circles, curves, angles, letters and figures in a vain effort to make you understand the principle of an eccentric. While it is all very nice to know these things, it is not necessary, and the putting of them in this book would defeat the very object for which it was intended. Be content with being a good, practical, everyday engineer, and all these things will come in time.
You can download the entire text here:
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You can download the entire text here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11164
Brad,

Thanks for the great link. I've just downloaded the book and will start reading as soon as I finish this e-mail. I especially like the first lines in the introduction which says:
If you have not read the preface on the preceding pages, turn back and
read it. You will see that we have stated there that we will use no
scientific terms, but plain every day talk.
Do you know when this was written?

Harry
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