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Old 04-08-2018, 04:36:25 AM
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Hi, Chasing a bit more info on this Fiat tractor, Looking for what model it is and engine and transmission details. I have been asked to look into finding out whether it is a viable restoration project for the museum that owns it. It has had some damage done to the motor with a sledge hammer but I am yet to have a decent look to see what has been busted.
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:46:43 AM
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Its a 703, first built from 1924?.
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Looks like it is worth a go at restoration. Nice toy to have around anyways.
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The serial number on these were stamped on a brass plate on the RH radiator side, on the RH crankcase and also on the RH side of the gearbox. If they're missing, the number is also stamped on the belt-pulley flange, where it bolts onto the rear transmission. Possibly also on top of the front axle, from memory. The serial number of the tractor is the last three digits. The first few numbers refer to the part (radiator, engine, etc.). The 703's were built at least from 1922, and possibly earlier than that. If the brass water pump and the carburettor are there, you're in luck, as they are hard to find. The rest looks good, and I'd say a lot of people would be happy to own it.
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I will have a look for the S/N Number next time I am there. I think from memory the water pump has been smashed with a sledge hammer but I think the carby is there. surprising all the tin work is fairly good just the engine has been taken to with a sledge hammer.
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Update on the Fiat, Upon inspection a sledgehammer has been used to smash all the brass off it. This lead to the valve inspection bungs being smashed out taking with them chunks of the combustion chamber and shattered the water jacket. The damage to to severe to attempt any repair so this is an ask to see if by any random chance anyone would have a spare block or parts engine. I was wondering if the engine was used in any other fiat products. The rest of the tractor seems in fairly good condition such a shame the engine has taken such a beating they even tried to chisel the brass spinner off the crank handle but they have up on it. I will attach some pictures showing the damage. I would like to see what it should look like under the bonnet.
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Nathan, the top of that block isn't pretty.

The FIAT's used a lot of parts from the 18BL truck; things like the engine internals, and *I think* the transmission and diff have the same internals as the 18BL chain-drive transaxle. The blocks are slightly different, such as the carburettor mount, but they both used the governor that was internal to the block, and generally, they have the same layout. Whether an 18BL block will fit onto a 703 crankcase, I don't know.

The trouble is that the 18BL trucks are just as rare as the tractors, and I have a feeling the 18BL truck engine was based on the earlier Tipo 4, (possibly 5?) FIAT engine, and they are really-really rare, they stopped making them in 1918, and as far as I know, only one of those cars came to Australia. There were a lot more 18BL trucks come here.

Going by the I.D plate, it looks like your tractor is serial number 25 in the 703 production.

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Yes I got the feeling it was going to be super rare and hard to find a spare block. Crying shame the damage that was done. Supposedly it was meant to be close to running condition when the museum first looked at it and when they went to pick it up some mongrel had smashed the hell out of it. Fabricating or casting a new one is out of the question due to budget restraints at the moment unfortunately. The S/N is 7230025. I wondered if it might have meant it was number 25. Do you know of many 703 Fiat's surviving in Australia?
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Bloody vandals!

I agree I'm not too sure that block could be repaired, or even how you'd go about it? It's a shame, as the rest of the tractor looks good. I was chasing a wrecked FIAT 703 near Hopetoun about 5 years ago, however, it ended up being sold for scrap, sadly.

I'm pretty sure S/N is 7230025 means tractor 25, so unless there's one with a lower serial number, you may have the oldest FIAT tractor known.

I know of about a dozen 703's here and one 702. There are probably more early FIAT's here than anywhere else.
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It is probably lucky that this Fiat did not end up going to scrap.
That is interesting if it is the oldest. It might be worth chasing up the cost of casting a new block if it is the oldest and also rather rare.
I would be interested to have a close look at a 703 they seem to be a well built tractor. Would also be interested to have a drive to see what they were like they are an interesting set up.

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