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I have never heard of a road gear in these tractors, maybe that was an option on the Industrial model? The FT had two forward speeds where the FTA had 3.
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21-32 or FT had 3 speed as well as FTA starting in 1929. Early 21-32 1926-29 had 2 speed. FT had 4 1/2 bore (381) where FTA had 4 5/8 bore (403)
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I have never heard of a road gear in these tractors, maybe that was an option on the Industrial model? The FT had two forward speeds where the FTA had 3.
I have a 1938 with factory 12mph road gear. When I was a kid and we ran several 21-32's it was great when moving fields but not so great in the field as you lost a field gear and it has 2nd gear too fast for gumbo plowing so you found yourself in 1st a lot creeping along but the other 21-32's would pass you as they never went lower than 2nd and in many times could plow in 3rd.

I have thought a lot about the days when we ran them. Most in this area were converted to LP. My 1938 is still on LP
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Thanks to Jim's drawing I did some testing last night, ordered a repair manual but won't be here right away. I backed the pressure down from 30 psi to 25 and had less oil running down the block but still smoke out the exhaust. I'm betting on valve guides but by that time my theory has always been to do the rings also. Its probably going to the show as a stationary exhibit this year unfortunately.

Still, I got a darn good deal on this tractor and i'm not disappointed a bit. Afterall, how many times have you bought a good running tractor and wondered about the internals? This tractor has darn good compression and seems to get even better every time I start it, if I take one apart and discover I didn't need to do rings I never feel like I wasted any time. Sort of peace of mind mechanics you could say. And when I find something that needs attention i'm actually relieved I found it

I am thinking about a further test on the valve guides, I may just re-route the oil lines for the rockers back into the lifter valley and see what happens. For the show, we will change oil to 40w non detergent and try a good accurate guage on the pressure, see what happens then. Our show is the first of august and its plenty warm enough then for heavy oil. Plus, if I find the guides are for sure the problem, I may try to install some temporary valve stem seals.
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Slobbering out exhaust means unburnt fuel. I would say stuck or broken rings. Guides would give you blowby. Guide weren't really an issue with MM's. Let it run for a while to see if it quits slobbering.
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Slobbering out exhaust means unburnt fuel. I would say stuck or broken rings. Guides would give you blowby. Guide weren't really an issue with MM's. Let it run for a while to see if it quits slobbering.
Yeah, its time to take it apart and look. I tested it some more last night, the smoke is getting a little bit less but at higher rpm the oil is coming out more. Pulled the plugs and the top of the pistons are pretty wet, looks like number four cylinder is the worst with number one second and the center two are damp. I never had much luck freeing up stuck rings by running any length of time, seems like.
Anybody know the width of the rings on these and the number, etc?

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Makes me wonder now, thanks. I drove it around a little bit and tried every gear, it was getting dark and at one time I wondered if I was in first gear, tried it again and just thought there wasn't a whole lot of difference between speeds or that they were all faster than I was used to on my Internationals.
Not sure just yet, anyway, didn't run it terribly long as I haven't checked lube levels on the rear and had some gear noise. I need to replace the center clutch plate or drill new holes as its ringing pretty badly, been drilled once already.
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Makes me wonder now, thanks. I drove it around a little bit and tried every gear, it was getting dark and at one time I wondered if I was in first gear, tried it again and just thought there wasn't a whole lot of difference between speeds or that they were all faster than I was used to on my Internationals.
Not sure just yet, anyway, didn't run it terribly long as I haven't checked lube levels on the rear and had some gear noise. I need to replace the center clutch plate or drill new holes as its ringing pretty badly, been drilled once already.

Russ this is a FTA Twin City. Gear noise and the ringing of the center plate is normal! When you are plowing that ringing goes away. I can't guess the hundreds of hours I have set on the tool box riding on the 21-32 as a child and the hundreds of hours running one pulling a 3-16 Moline plow. Those sounds you are wanting to get rid of are normal and music to me.


You are making me want to get me a rusty old beater just to run in the field again.
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Default Re: 1935 Twin City FTA

3-FE123 and 1-FE 433 . Just a standard 1/4 ring x 4 5/8 unless someone has been in there. Have a set of HC blocks,heads and pistons that came off a 21-32.

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You can take blocks off and reinstall without removing bottom end. Tricky but can be done.
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