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Old 07-10-2018, 07:02:57 PM
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Who or what had the first Diff lock. I know the lightwieght Rumleys had it.
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Was the Rumely oil pull tractor the first to use oil for cooling? Were there other companies that did this?
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:03:14 PM
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Was the Rumely oil pull tractor the first to use oil for cooling? Were there other companies that did this?
Hart Parr used oil as coolant a few years before the first oilpulls were built. In fact one of the first oilpulls tested (kerosene annie) used Hart Parr oil cooler sections in its cooler.
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Hart Parr used oil as coolant a few years before the first oilpulls were built. In fact one of the first oilpulls tested (kerosene annie) used Hart Parr oil cooler sections in its cooler.
And oil was used to raise the boiling point creating a hotter engine to burn the kerosene more efficiently. Correct? Probably helped with corrosion of the cooling system also.
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(lightweight) Hart Parrs pulled had a friction drive fan and used water from the engine block cooling system to run In the carb to stop pre-ignition when burning kerosene. Did any other companies use cooling system water?
Also exhaust comes out the front, stories have been told about them starting fields on fire from the low exhaust.


The Minneapolis Cross motor tractors (17-30 and 27-42) are the only tractors to use a lubricator that is powered by a shaft through the bottom of the unit. (I think anyways... anyone know of another tractor that has this lubricator? )


The rumely oilpull line were all 2 cylinders with the exception of the model F 15-30 which was a single cylinder = 1/2 the engine of the model E 30-60


Any one know when Propane came into the picture as a fuel for tractors?
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The John Deere D used the water from the cooling system to prevent preignition. The operator would haul water to the field in milk cans or the like, then stop every few rounds and add water. When people went to using antifreeze, the water valve would have to be removed. Fordsons would also need water added every few rounds when working hard, not sure it they had a water mixer valve on the cooling system or not, but I think it mainly just boiled off and needed refilling. In the 30s in Texas and Oklahoma where there was a lot of refinery activity, there was a lot of waste gas vapor that was burned off as there wasn't any way to use it at the time. The engineers decided that it was too dangerous and wasteful to keep doing that and figured out how to compress it to a liquid and store it and transport it for cooking stove use. Tractor engineers at Caterpillar and also Minneapolis adapted their tractors to make use of this super cheap fuel source. Was only when the prices rose and eliminated the advantage of using it for tractor fuel that farmers switched to the modern diesel engine.

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As to the external lubricator, almost all early tractors and stationary engines used them to some extent. Wasn't till the designs of the late 20 did the oil sump with a recirculating pump, came into general use. The Fordson and Deere and Mc Cormick tractors were some of the first ones to discard the external lubricators.
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International also used water injection on the 15-30 tractors, they actually had a water tank and a second bowl on the carburetor with a float. This was an Ensign design, had lines from the carburetor to two ports in the intake manifold, these didn't have to use engine coolant supply.
By the way, the origin of the word.
Origin of the word tractor
Word Origin and History for tractor. n. 1856, "something that pulls," earlier used of a quack device consisting of two metal rods which were supposed to relieve rheumatism (1798, in full Perkins's metallic tractor), from Medieval Latin tractor, from stem of Latin trahere "to pull, draw"
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Was Hart Parr the first to use a overhead cam and planetary gears in a production tractor?
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Very possibly so, as they were one of the first production tractor builders. Don't know enough about the Otto tractor as not many were built and I don't know of any survivors. Forleich built a few production units, but I don't know of any of the above features on them, none survive today. Kinnard also had a very early production tractor, one of which survives. But it doesn't have those features either.
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Who came out with the first Torque Amplifier or a Torque Converter on a tractor?.I know IH was famous for Torque Amplifier's in later years.Would it be safe to say Massey Harris was the first with their Twin Power system?

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Minneapolis Moline was the first to put a cab on a tractor with the model UDLX Comfortractor.Olmstead and Nelson was the first company to come out with a four wheel drive tractor
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