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Old 12-11-2017, 12:12:00 AM
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Itís said around here that one existed into the early 60ís in a wrecking yard here in Edmonton before it got cut up.
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David Hoover's catalogue pages are of a Sawyer Massey 35-115 single simple.

greaysteam24hp's picture is of a tandem compound.

Which was tested at the Winnipeg Motor Trials?

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Old 12-12-2017, 02:10:33 PM
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Dan,
Sawyer entered the 35, some compound engines, and a single over the years. Also, gas tractors.
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Old 12-12-2017, 02:13:28 PM
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David Hoover's catalogue pages are of a Sawyer Massey 32-115 single simple.

greaysteam24hp's picture is of a tandem compound.

Which was tested at the Winnipeg Motor Trials?
Knowing nothing about SM specs, nor the engine in the photo, I'm still tempted to throw a guess at that.

We all know that numbers in catalogs were prone to change for incremental improvements, or even physically meaningless attempts to show off "new products" or one up competition. Similarly naming has occasionally been a bit fluid even in the second (collectable rather than living earning) life of engines.

With that, and based only on the sales sheet presented above, I suspect the engine in the photo would meet the specifications of the 100HP. The compounds in the chart follow the, often used, adder of maybe about 30% more HP than the identical boiler with a simple engine. With that, I'd suspect had a compound been built on the 32?-115 boiler, it would have been advertised something more like 40-140. And can then convince myself (probably only myself!) that such compound did not exist, so a 115 at Winnipeg would have been simple.

And enough meaningless rambling from me....carry on! Oh, back to the origins of this thread...I put said book on Santa's list as soon as I saw it here. We'll see whether I've been nice enough, or was naughty and have to settle for coal!

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Sawyer entered the 35, some compound engines, and a single over the years. Also, gas tractors.
I should have just waited to see the expert's response in the first place!
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The photo is of a 106 HP engine.
I believe it came from BC?
Can Mr. Hoffman offer any insight?
It was at Kinzers for a number of years.
I saw it there in 1999.
Not sure when it left there.
I got this out of a friend's catalog some time back.
I believe it is the same boiler as a 76 with TC motor on it.
Tim Searson probably can add more info.
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I don't know how to a attach a link, but on the Sawyer Massey Steam Engines thread Post #28 I posted some pictures and the story behind them of the last surviving 115 of which only the boiler exists now.
Also in post #66 in the same thread I posted a pic of the 106 which I had taken in 1999 which used to belong to Reeves 1665.
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Sawyer-Massey certainly worked hard to upgrade both the 32-106 compound engine and the 35-115 simple to be able to compete with J.I. Case Threshing Machine Co. in the market place and at the Winnipeg Competitions.
Case knew their own products and were always able to produce excellent fuel and water economy statistics. We can never take that away from Case.
Sawyer-Massey made some very good engines that stood up well against the competition.
Sadly, as we have mulled over in another thread, the steam age, or certainly the steam ploughing age, was near an end, so it didn't really matter what any of them did. The Ontario companies continued making threshing engines for a few more years because they still had some good thresherman and sawmill customers to look after in the home province. I have often wondered if they ever made a nickel on ploughing engines, given the development and production costs?
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I don't know how to a attach a link, but on the Sawyer Massey Steam Engines thread Post #28 I posted some pictures and the story behind them of the last surviving 115 of which only the boiler exists now.
Also in post #66 in the same thread I posted a pic of the 106 which I had taken in 1999 which used to belong to Reeves 1665.
This link should work for the 115 post. May need to scroll down a little to post 28.


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one for the 106 picture. Probably a little scrolling required on this one too for post 66.

Now that does get me curious (yes, I heard about the kitty cat, but foolishly follow said tracks anyway) whether I read the sales specs posted above incorrectly as 100 instead of 106, or that was changed along the way. Assuming the latter: Was it a result of certain improvements, belt tests proven instead of estimated, or just marketing making a [physically meaningless] change to cause some chatter?
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Just got my Personal autographed copy of the Winnipeg Trials book for Christmas! Great job! Will be a nice addition to my library!

Merry Christmas to everyone!

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No autograph in mine, but a copy arrived in my stocking as well!
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When the authour tips over, a signed copy might bring you a buck-fifty on ebay!
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When the authour tips over, a signed copy might bring you a buck-fifty on ebay!
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As the author .....
You got lots more books to write !

Don’t be talking about tipping over!
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When the authour tips over, a signed copy might bring you a buck-fifty on ebay!
Not to worry If you keep eating all those creampuffs you won't tip over you'll just roll
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Two consecutive nights of turkey with all the trimmings, plus, tomorrow, a big roast beef supper. It will all happen in one big THUD!
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Two consecutive nights of turkey with all the trimmings, plus, tomorrow, a big roast beef supper. It will all happen in one big THUD!


Your like a raccoon at a church picnic
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Onkel G,
I got a sizable gift card from Amazon for Christmas. Will your book be available there also? I noticed other, earlier things came up from you there. Gary
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Gary,
I don't know how that works. I'll have to look into it.
Thanks.
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Reading J I Case advertising through the steam era, one can easily reach the conclusion they didn't care much for the compound engine. I have a notion that Woolf forced it on them, as in if you want to use our valve gear on your engines you must offer our tandem compound ( it is recorded they demanded a $100 per engine royalty on the compound) Cases advertising went some thing like "We offer a compound engine in the 30 to80 horse power sizes but you really don't want it. I think after comparing the 80H simple results in 1912 to the 80H compound results of 1913. Case company finally got the point across. Quiz Can any one think of a company that used the woolf valve gear and did not offer the tandem compound engine. The WAMC book sheds new light on the pros or cons

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I just noticed G Willikers jogging down the township line. I guess he's getting his appetite ready for the Jan 1 feed.
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Mr. Halcon,
Interesting comments on the compounds.
Sawyer & Massey went into Woolf compounds with some gusto, but used its own gear for the simples. Robert Bell had a few, but like you say, they never seemed to make too big a deal about them.
Port Huron seemed to make nothing but Woolf compounds in the later years.
I would like to see a Waterloo compound. It made a few in about 3 sizes if I remember correctly. They were not Woolf, but the cylinders were separated by an open area. I think they used Stephenson gear.

Two big feeds tomorrow, then one on Jan. 1. Oh, the humanity!
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