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Old 11-04-2005, 03:52:03 PM
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One of the best ways I've found to remove that caked on/baked on grease on engines is to take a cutting torch, turn off the oxy. and burn it. This hardens it up considerably. Then you can take a wire brush to it and it comes off quite easily. If a torch ain't handy, and it's on a flat surface, take some kerosene, soak a rag in it, and set the rag on fire on top of the grease. Then apply wire brush as before.

Dan, the boiler fab thread has been nothing short of fascinating for me. I had to show a lot of our layout guys here at work what a big burner table looks like. Makes ours look like a miniature!

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Old 11-05-2005, 11:06:36 AM
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Dan, the boiler fab thread has been nothing short of fascinating for me. I had to show a lot of our layout guys here at work what a big burner table looks like. Makes ours look like a miniature!

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Our burning table can hold (6) 8'-0" x 20'-0" plates at one time or many variations there-of. We have burned plates 60’-0” long. It is large enough that the operator can burn parts at one end of the table while helpers load or unload the other end of the table allowing for continuous production. There are two plasma cutting torches (one of which can rotate to cut bevels on the edges of plates for weld prep), two permanently attached oxy-fuel torches, an arc writer (scribes text and layout lines), a zinc marker which can also do layouts and a punch which can locate prick punch marks. We also built an attachment that can hold four more oxy-fuel torches, which we use to rip long plates (up to 60’-0” long) for bridge girder flanges.

This machine is becoming too small for the projects we are building so there are plans to get a bigger machine.

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Old 11-07-2005, 05:37:22 PM
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Dan I would be curious if you are keeping a log on your time spent on this project and will be doing a cost to see what it would be in the real world to do this kind of work. We talk about this on here every so often but no one has any real time numbers. Would like to know more about how you set up to do this. The pictures are great and reminds me of working in Tom Terning's shop a number of years ago.
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What pressure will it be stamped with?
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:10:30 PM
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Dan I would be curious if you are keeping a log on your time spent on this project and will be doing a cost to see what it would be in the real world to do this kind of work. We talk about this on here every so often but no one has any real time numbers.
I am keeping fairly detailed time sheets. I have the hours broke down by job type i.e. detail drawings, drilling holes, beveling etc... It will be interesting to see how much time I will have been spent when it is done.

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Old 11-08-2005, 01:11:15 PM
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What pressure will it be stamped with?
175 psi.

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:54:19 PM
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Would like to know more about how you set up to do this.
I am in the fortunate position of working for an ASME code shop. Because of my experience at the shop I am familiar with material tracability and what the inspector will be expecting as far as documentation. I also have experience with what is involved with fabricating pressure vessels as far as forming material, what type of weld preparation is required, fit up and match drilling.

I am also fortunate to have meet Jonas Stutzman (J S Company) by chance in 2003 while visiting my girlfriend (now wife) in Ohio. We were driving to an Amish cheese shop when I noticed Jonas' shop off the road. We stopped in and got to talk with Jonas and I was very impressed with his operation of building ASME "S" stamped boilers and engine restoration. He has one of the nicest machine shops I have ever seen. I offered to do detail drawings for the boilers he was building and that is how I got familiar with how fire tube boilers are constructed and how safe they are if they are in good order and operated properly.

If it were not for having the drawing experience and ability, the shop available to do the fabrication and Jonas to do the final assembly and certification I would not even attempt such a task. Doing a large percentage of the work myself is making this project affordable for me.

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Old 11-09-2005, 04:35:55 PM
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Dan,

Are you going to have it finished in time for the show this weekend at Flywheeler Park, or are you shooting for February?

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I am keeping fairly detailed time sheets. I have the hours broke down by job type i.e. detail drawings, drilling holes, beveling etc... It will be interesting to see how much time I will have been spent when it is done.

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That will be very interesting! I am curious if you could guesstimate the cost, were I to walk into your shop with a handful of blue-prints and say, "Build me one please!".
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:00:05 AM
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Are you going to have it finished in time for the show this weekend at Flywheeler Park, or are you shooting for February?

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I'm shooting for February. I'm just not sure which year though.

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That will be very interesting! I am curious if you could guesstimate the cost, were I to walk into your shop with a handful of blue-prints and say, "Build me one please!".
We do estimates for all work that customers bring to us. I did not do an estimate before starting this project because I knew most of the work would be done by me. I knew ahead of time how much material was going to cost me. By using the "real time" sheets that I have been keeping on this job I will be able to estimate the cost of future boilers projects. If I take on another boiler project.

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Old 11-10-2005, 02:10:40 PM
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I'm shooting for February. I'm just not sure which year though.

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I love that statement Dan! I suspect that anyone who has restored a steamer can relate. I know that I didn't expect the Huber to still be a pile of parts 2 years after coming home! I better get busy if I want to build a fire this spring.
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Old 11-13-2005, 01:52:11 PM
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Dan, I have a 30 H.P. that I am working on right now. Does you boiler have the stay bolts on the front tube sheet right next to the handhole?

I also cut the main steam line off because it is going to be replaced. It appears to be caulked into the sheet, or thread in just through the sheet, and a slip fit into a dry pipe that goes into the steam dome.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:58:18 PM
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Dan, I have a 30 H.P. that I am working on right now. Does you boiler have the stay bolts on the front tube sheet right next to the handhole?

I also cut the main steam line off because it is going to be replaced. It appears to be caulked into the sheet, or thread in just through the sheet, and a slip fit into a dry pipe that goes into the steam dome.
My boiler does not have stay bolts next to the handhole on the front tube sheet.

I assumed that the main steam line was threaded through the front tube sheet and threaded into a coupling just behind the front tube sheet. The coupling joins the steam line that extends through the tube sheet to the steam line inside the boiler that extends back to an elbow that attaches to the pipe that goes up into the steam dome. If you get into your boiler and find something different I sure would like to know how it is arranged. I see the engine listed on your web site but there are not any pictures yet. I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures.

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Jeff,

I see the pictures are there now. Are you planning to take out the top row of tubes? If you do would it be possible for you to get a picture from behind the front tube sheet looking up at the steam pipe?

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Jeff,

Who owns the 30 HP A. D. Vance?

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Dan, I am planning to take picture from the inside this afternoon, and post them on my website tonight. Kevin and Denis Schirmers of Sauk Center Minnnesota own this engine. Apparently it came from Rollag about 30 years ago. The gearing and other mechanical items are really great. The inside of the boiler is really scaled up. Between the throat sheet and firebox was filled level with scale. There were also two squirrels that were evicted. Sorry PETA.
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Lund Machine Works,
See you've got some pics on the website of the old Reeves I used to own. What all is being done to it? I had heard at one point it was going to get a new boiler, is this right, or did MK change his mind?
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Old 11-18-2005, 06:13:11 PM
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I don't know how the dry pipe comes out of Advance engines, but on steam locomotives, it is a ground joint. Let me tell you, I have spent ALOT of time with Cloverleaf compound working really big fittings.

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Mike, the Reeves is going to get a new firebox, barrel, tube sheet, and probably a wet bottom, and other thing that looks bad. The wagon top, backhead and the steam dome is what we are anticipating to re-use.

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