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Old 11-19-2013, 04:47:34 PM
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How many different manufacturers built a "tumble"-type plow? I bought one at auction several years ago, but there's no plate on it. From a quick search, I've seen the #39 by IH and/or McCormick, bu haven't yet found any others. What should I look for to differentiate different brands, if there are, in fact, other manufacturers. Also, if it turns out that I do have a #39, are there any sources of plow points? Mine are almost down to the frog.

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Old 11-19-2013, 06:59:40 PM
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Lyle I know that Minneapolis-Moline made one because a friend in England has one hooked to his RTU. Ed B
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Lyle I know that Minneapolis-Moline made one because a friend in England has one hooked to his RTU. Ed B
Thanks, Ed. How much difference in looks is there? Got a model #?

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Okay guys. What's a tumble plow?
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Lyle: Sorry I have seen him use it at a show in England but didn't pay that much attention. A good Moline guy could tell you. Elden I believe it flips over at the end of the row so can plow in reverse direction. Maybe should be called two way plow. Ed B
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:47:16 PM
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Ford and MF built rollovers there still used on truck farms and where irrigation is used eliminates dead furrows.
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Is that what they use on those twin steamer winch & cable rigs across the pond? Seems I saw a video on here not that long ago.
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Commonly called tumblebug,rollover or 2 way plow. MM made 5 different models. Early two bottoms were TK models and 1 bottom for R's were TV model. Later came the pipe plow M2000. The last models made in early 60's were the 3 bottom TW900 and the 3-5 bottom TW1900.
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Okay guys. What's a tumble plow?
Here's a good video of one in action, including some slo-mo of the "tumble": http://youtu.be/uCHQslaR4co. FWIW, I take "tumble" to mean that it rolls in something other than parallel to the direction of motion. "Roll over" or "turnover" meaning rolling in the same axis as the direction of travel. In my book, a 2-way plow means both of these, but can also mean a 2-bottom horse plow with 1 right and 1 left share, OR it can mean a more modern piece that either swings the shares from right to left (no rollling) or a disc plow that changes the angle of the discs for right and left. Don'tcha love it!? :-)

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Lyle:

I guess the advantage of a rollover plow is that you can go back and forth in the field and the plow will roll the soil over in the same direction either way.

I've never seen one of those before ...... BUT that's not saying much for me.
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I guess the advantage of a rollover plow is that you can go back and forth in the field and the plow will roll the soil over in the same direction either way.

I've never seen one of those before ...... BUT that's not saying much for me.
I've plowed literally thousands of acres with a 5-bottom IH rollover plow. I can't imagine doing it any other way. :-) On 2nd thought, we did have a "wheatland plow" that Dad bought for a specific purpose, and it actually wasn't plowing; it was for furrow filling next to borders in irrigated alfalfa fields. That's a "one-way plow" in that you generally go in a circular pattern from the outside in.

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I have often referred to 'tumble plows' being the ones that were rope trip and were actually flip over by dragging them on the ground to change direction; hence the 'tumble' portion of the name. I have a #39 IHC which is the most common model they had. The predecessor to this plow was the #37 which was referred to as a 'two way' plow since it didn't actually flip over.

I scanned a page from the 1940 IH catalog showing the #9 and they name it a 'roll over' plow. In my neck of the woods we always called the plows the roll sideways the 'rollover' plows. I guess its different in other areas of the country.

Two pics ive included are of the #39 from the catalog, and a pic of the newer style plow which is a hydraulic #314 Rollover behind my 450LP
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I have often referred to 'tumble plows' being the ones that were rope trip and were actually flip over by dragging them on the ground to change direction; hence the 'tumble' portion of the name. I have a #39 IHC which is the most common model they had. The predecessor to this plow was the #37 which was referred to as a 'two way' plow since it didn't actually flip over.

I scanned a page from the 1940 IH catalog showing the #9 and they name it a 'roll over' plow. In my neck of the woods we always called the plows the roll sideways the 'rollover' plows. I guess its different in other areas of the country.

Two pics ive included are of the #39 from the catalog, and a pic of the newer style plow which is a hydraulic #314 Rollover behind my 450LP
Thanks, F20. Since you have a #39, can you tell me where you get points, or do you have to modify points from another plow? I'm =ass=uming that I have a #39 until I can get out to my dad's shop and shoot some pics of it. I'm =really= wanting to get this thing working, if not restored. Another piece I want to rehab, is a piece we used almost until the end of our farming days. It's an old Deere single-shank pull-type ripper. We used to pull it behind a 4020 on the bottom end of several of our fields to help break up gopher holes. On the S side of our property there was nearly 20' fall from E to W in a short mile, with the fields benched off, and it could be a real female dog when irrigation water would start washing out a hole, as you can imagine. I know my '36 A won't pull it too deep, but it's =something= to pull. :-)

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We have a Mathis-Moline that was built in France. More info on that company and a picture of our plow here:
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Lyle,

We have several horse drawn ones as well as a modern IH. Can send pics
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Thanks, F20. Since you have a #39, can you tell me where you get points, or do you have to modify points from another plow?
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If you have the old style 'blacksmith' shares with the point all in one piece you will have to scrounge around and probably find NOS or used ones. I am not aware of anyone making replacements for that style. If you are lucky enough to have had someone change out the frog to a plow chief style those individual points can still be bough new. I know the plow chief frogs will blot on those older plows because I have a #8 3-14 little genius with new plow chief wear parts on it that I use regularly.

that is the scoop on the RIGHT hand furrow parts. LEFT hand stuff is SUPER hard to find. best place to start looking is out west where there was lots of irrigation done and these plows were used a lot. Both my #314 rollover and #39 tumble plow came from Idaho
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If you have the old style 'blacksmith' shares with the point all in one piece you will have to scrounge around and probably find NOS or used ones. I am not aware of anyone making replacements for that style. If you are lucky enough to have had someone change out the frog to a plow chief style those individual points can still be bough new. I know the plow chief frogs will blot on those older plows because I have a #8 3-14 little genius with new plow chief wear parts on it that I use regularly.

that is the scoop on the RIGHT hand furrow parts. LEFT hand stuff is SUPER hard to find. best place to start looking is out west where there was lots of irrigation done and these plows were used a lot. Both my #314 rollover and #39 tumble plow came from Idaho
Thank you, sir. I =was= planning on going out to the shop on Sat. to start soaking this thing down to loosen things up, but we're forecast for up to 4 days of rain here in AZ, so not sure it's going to happen. I still want to get out to at least shoot some pics to post to see if we can i.d. it. I'm thinking that, worse comes to worst, I'll find a welding shop and have them simply weld on a new strip along the bottom and even a new point, if necessary. None of the points have any hardfacing at all, which I would likely do simply to prolong what life they have. Not sure I'll 'face the moldboards since I'm not planning on plowing 80 acres any time soon. :-)

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Went and looked at my plow today and it =is= an IH. Working on pics, now, and will post them shortly.

Later: Here's a few pics of my plow.

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Here is a picture of a MM 'tumblebug'. I'm not sure of this model, but it is my grandfathers, and I did plow with this plow behind my dad's E27N Fordson about 15 years ago. What a wild piece of mechanical engineering! Pull the one trip rope at the end of the furrow and it looks like the plow is falling apart as it rolls over and raises. Then as you are turning you need to pull the second rope at the right time to swing the hitch to the opposite side, before pulling the first rope again to drop the plow down. Keeps you very busy at the end of a field with a tractor w/o power steering!! The plow is heavy and awkward, but did preform very well.
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I think that our Mathis-Moline is a French copy of the MM Tumblebug.
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