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IHC vs McCormick Deering M Engines


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Old 03-09-2013, 09:58:23 PM
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What is the difference between the McCormick Deering and IHC M engines?

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As far as I have ever been able to tell, just the name plate...
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Default Re: IHC vs McCormick Deering M Engines

I have always understood the the MD engines were primarily spark plug (although, I have heard that they could have been special ordered with an ignitor). The IHC engines were ignitor fired. Joe
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Default Re: IHC vs McCormick Deering M Engines

I could be wrong but I always thought that the ones that were badged ihc were sold into industrial aplications and the mccormick badged ones were sold into farm applications. Kinda like they did with farmall and international tractors.
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Default Re: IHC vs McCormick Deering M Engines

Mine has a McCormick badge on one side of the hopper and an international on the other... its igniter fired.
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Default Re: IHC vs McCormick Deering M Engines

Found an interesting 1982 article in Gas Engine Magazine on the web.

International engines were manufactured in the 'Milwaukee Works' at Milwaukee, Wisconsin and the McCormick Deering 'M' engines in the 'Deering Works' at Chicago, Illinois.

Read more: http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/G...#ixzz2NAp1YdDO
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Found an interesting 1982 article in Gas Engine Magazine on the web.

International engines were manufactured in the 'Milwaukee Works' at Milwaukee, Wisconsin and the McCormick Deering 'M' engines in the 'Deering Works' at Chicago, Illinois.

Read more: http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/G...#ixzz2NAp1YdDO
That would make sense...
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I was under the impression that it had something to do with a law suit, agreement with the US government. Best I can tell the badge change started sometime in 1919. I have crankcased tagged International 1918 and 1919 11/2 hp m and I have a 3hp hopper tagged International 1919. All my 1920+ 11/2 & 3hp M are McCormick tagged. The same holds true for the 6hp and 10hp the early ones were tagged Int. I also thought production switched from the "tractor works" to the "deering works" in 1922 based on production records from the IHC archive.
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All my 1920+ 11/2 & 3hp M are McCormick tagged.
We have an International small hopper tag on an overstrike ignitor 1-1/2 hp, SN A51958, dates to 1920.
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We have an International small hopper tag on an overstrike ignitor 1-1/2 hp, SN A51958, dates to 1920.
51958, earlier than mine.
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Default Re: IHC vs McCormick Deering M Engines

According to Cyrus McCormick in his book, "Century of the Reaper", the McCormick-Deering line came into being in 1923. (Page 187-188)

It started as the result of a 1918 consent decree with federal courts because the International Harvester Company had been selling different lines in each town through two dealers which made the public think they were competing when they were not. For instance Mogul and Titan tractors.
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jboyer1028,
Thanks for the very informative article. Can you supply the link that covers the next issue covering the 3-6 and 10hp engine history.
Thank you, Jim
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jboyer1028,
Thanks for the very informative article. Can you supply the link that covers the next issue covering the 3-6 and 10hp engine history.
Thank you, Jim
http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/G...mber-1982.aspx
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Default Re: IHC vs McCormick Deering M Engines

IHC - McD also made a major change in early to mid 1919. They went from brass tag on the hump on the block to the familiar aluminum tags on the hoppers. At the same time, they went from the early single bearing understrike igniter (hard to find), to the later double bearing overstrike type. This change also meant major changes to the igniter trip assembly and operation as well as the fuel pump, a big deal back then.

I have an early 1919 3 HP IHC M, that was used in a tannery in Newark NJ (100th engine of that type) made that year. In 1920, the company ordered a second 3 HP (1920), and when it arrived, they saw that the ignition set up was different (both engines are igniter fired). The tannery wanted to retro-fit the 1920 with the 1919 ignition set up, but was told by IHC that the cost would nearly be as much as a new engine, as the 1919 parts had been discontinued. Parts needed would have been: igniter, trip finger and mount, pishrod, cam and camshaft, fuel pump and activating lever, and miscelenous hard ware, plus labor to install all of the above.
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