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Old 10-19-2010, 12:30:23 PM
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My JD E has a homemade oilcup under the governor and is letting too much oil in. Would anyone be able to supply me with a good photo of an original cup, and/or be able to give me the position and size of the original holes for the oil.
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:59:49 PM
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Not sure what you mean as J.D. E didnt have a oil cup? They are self oiled.(enclosed crankcase) Bob
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:07:59 AM
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Default Re: Oily John Deere 1 1/2hp E

He means the cup inside the crankcase in which the governor splashes oil all over creation.......
As I recall there are about 6 small holes (1/8"?) in the perimeter near the bottom of the cup which control the entry of oil to reduce the splash.
Deere's are kind of piggish anyway but LESS oil is better in this case.
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Thanks for the info, Craig.
You wouldn't have any pics of an original cup by any chance? Mine is just a ring of metal about 1 1/4" or so high soldered to the base with a quarter inch high triangle cut out at the base to allow oil in.
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:25:15 AM
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Default Re: Oily John Deere 1 1/2hp E

I just replaced the oil pan in mine but didn't take any photos. The cup in mine was rectangular with a splash shield that curved up on one side of the cup to prevent to much splash. It had 3, 1/8 holes drilled in it. I've also seen round cups. I'll try and check my manuals at home tonite and see if the parts lists have a picture of this unless someone else does that today before I have a chance.
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That sounds like an original?? One hole is all you really need, I ran my 6hp for years without the oil cup. It puked oil from eveywhere. I finally got the oil leakage slowed down, by super sealing everything, and adding a vent through the bolt hole that is up next to the hopper. This year I ordered a new oil pan, gas tank, and a complete set of gaskets from Ed at Hit&Miss. It has ran HARD about 24-30 hours of cutting wood, while hooked to a buzz saw, and there is still some oil but it is less than 15 minutes of running last year. Everyone told me I didnt need that oil cup as long as I always ran the engine level??? Well I am here to tell that you do need the oil cup (with only 1 hole to let oil in) it regulates the amount of oil slung all over the inside of the engine. You must remeber that before the "self oilers" the grease cups got turned 1/2 turn every 4 hours or so. It doesn't take that much to keep these guys lubed, at 400-500 rpms. as long as the oil hole in the cup doesnt get plugged with gunk, it will throw plenty of oil all around the inside of the engine. Just my 2cents. Marty
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:18:23 AM
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Default Re: Oily John Deere 1 1/2hp E

Something that the Guys haven't mentioned is if you have low compression, [lots of blow by the rings] that will create more pressure in the crank case and there by you will have more leakage at every little chance for the oil to get out. When these engines were made and used, they didn't worry about a little oil leakage as long as they got the work done. My $0.02 worth or your money back.
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Thanks for the replies guy's.
My engine has the round cup. I am a bit low on compression, but I'm going to try and reduce the size of the hole in the cup and seal everything really well with new gaskets and sealant. If that fails, I'll have to find a new set of rings for it.
I'll let you know how I get on.
All the best, Lyn.
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I just had my E apart and didn't take any pictures either.. Mine also had two long tabs attached to the cup, one on each side of the rod?? I do have a picture of what is on the inside. This actually came from the side of a box for a model.
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I am a bit low on compression, but I'm going to try and reduce the size of the hole in the cup and seal everything really well with new gaskets and sealant. If that fails, I'll have to find a new set of rings for it..
Trying to seal it is hopeless.
The only ones that don't slobber are late ones that came with a factory air check valve in the crankcase cover.
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Dont over tighten the bolts and squish out the gaskets and dont be scared to go back and resug the bolts afetr it has run awhile!
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Default Re: Oily John Deere 1 1/2hp E

Here is a picture of the pan in the JD we just finished restoring, I hope this helps, I took a lot of pictures, but I guess not enough of what people need to see.

On the end oppisite the metal guard (keeps oil from being slung into the piston/ all over the place) there is a hole about 1/2 inch in diameter that has a screen in it as well, that is where the oil fills the cup through.

These engines do slobber a bit without the breather on them and even more if it has some blow by. I have noticed that many farmer fixes were to drill a hole in the crankcase cover.
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Old J.D'S,Fords, and Harley's if they dont leak they dont have any oil!Bob
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Default Re: Oily John Deere 1 1/2hp E

Lyn, look here: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...ght=john+deere

Look at Jim White's excellent answer - I did get the 6-ring set from him, re-assembled the engine, and it runs very nicely with very little oil slobbering - and it is one without a breather. It ran 8 hours at a show and at the end of the show, it was starting to show some oil dribbles below the main bearings. All in all, an excellent fix.

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Default Re: Oily John Deere 1 1/2hp E

hey fred van hook ,,do u got any more picture of that jd engine
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Perhaps replacing the original crank case cover with a later style vented cover "might help". I do have a vented cover.
A second option might be a piston ring problem.
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Hi Jim.
I've managed to stop all the leaks except from around the crankshaft and bearings. Maybe I need to seal under the shell bearings and shims.
The existing crankcase cover has had a hole of about 1/2" diameter drilled through it before I got the engine. There is quite a bit of back pressure blowing through that hole. I think a set of new rings might be a good idea.
Could you let me know the price of a set of rings including mailing to the UK. You can PM me if you wish. A few photo's of the engine attached.
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One other thing you mite look at are the oil return groves on the crank shaft under the main bearings. If the are not clean they will not screw the oil back to the sump.
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Lyn are you sure it is back pressure you feel? On a closed crankcase when the piston moves the air displacement has to go somewere. That maybe what you detect,and not blowby of the rings.
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Here is a movie of my 1928 JD "E" running. Some previous owner has installed a rather large breather on the cover. It has a washer on the top held on by a screw that is supposed to relieve the pressure when the piston is on the return stroke. I have taken this valve out and there is nothing special about it. The washer does not jump up and down and this engine does not hardly leak any oil. My Faultless leaks more oil than this engine??

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