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Old 03-17-2002, 10:31:26 PM
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I have to tell you that it shouldn't take rocket science to know what makes this web site run. I just deleted the banner ad for Walmart - NO CLICKS - after over 27,000 exposures - nada! I may as well do the same for the ABE books banner even though that's the source for many of the fine old engine books in my library. ZERO clicks - nada!

Everyone must be hell bent for election getting right to the gravy of the messages. Fortunately, the other ads that do sell engines and engine parts are getting lots of clicks and the sellers are renewing their ads.

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Old 03-17-2002, 11:37:06 PM
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Most of your advertisers are A OK Harry but as for WallyWorld I feel they are responsible for the demise of many of the good old hardware stores across this country. They may be fine for yuppies & apartment dwellers but they have little to offer our hobby. Apparently others feel the same given their "no hits" record on this site. Thanks for a GREAT site. And "thank you" to the worthwhile sponsors. Bill Klein
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Old 03-18-2002, 12:05:36 AM
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Harry, Yer counter don't work because have clicked on the Abe link. I didn't buy from them because the prices on anything that I wanted were a bit steep, a big bit actually. I usually can find the books I want for a lot less on eBay or from other colectors. I do look at the Abe inventory, and will continue to do so, but I am clicking, just not buying. Joe
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Old 03-18-2002, 12:21:39 AM
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Hmmm. You've got a point there. We've traveled many small towns looking for antique shops and usually find them where the mom & pop hardware moved out.
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Old 03-18-2002, 12:27:44 AM
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I have also looked at the book banner ad, but have not found the book that I am looking for, must be too rare! I will keep looking.
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Old 03-18-2002, 12:38:33 AM
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Open mouth, insert foot, shoot other big toe off with .45.

Apparently, I've learned something about my ad system - it doesn't count clicks the way I had set up those two ads.
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Old 03-18-2002, 01:38:44 AM
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Harry, just make damn sure you shoot off the big toe that ain't in your mouth. I know damn well I clicked Wally World once just to see what kind of crap they were tryin to push here.
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Old 03-18-2002, 10:19:56 AM
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Although off topic, thought I would insert this here since the thread has little to do with engines anyway. I shop at Wal-Mart all the time. Gee, I guess there must be something wrong with me cause I want to spend less money. I spend about 20-30% less than most other places for things like cereal, milk, other food, clothes, etc. etc. etc. Contrary to what most Wal-Mart detractors say, they did not drive out the corner hardware store - I still regularly go to ACE for things that Wal-Mart has no intention of carrying. But if you're talking about a quart of BBQ lighter fluid and ACE is $2.50 and Wal-Mart is $1.89, guess where I'll get it. And if we're talking about the corner grocer, if a box of cereal at Wal-Mart is $1.99 and at the other stores in the area $3.29, no brainer. Thats just good 'ol capitalism friend. Somebody does it cheaper and the others have to match it or lose out. Has happened for a couple hundred years here - and if you hate Wal-Mart, what about Sears? They took lots of business away from the corner stores back when they had catalog sales early in this century - nobody hated them because they made products available at affordable prices. Now, Wal-Mart is not paying me to say any of this, I just like a place where the people are friendly and more helpful than I've seen in years and the prices are lower than most any other place. Go ahead and yell at me now for being part of the crowd that has "driven out the corner guy" - but you better be yelling at the people that go to Lowes, Home Depot, Menards, NAPA (they drove out the corner Auto Parts store), McDonalds, Wendys, Red Lobster, Outback and all the other chains for driving out the local resturants, ete. etc. etc. - thats just life these days folks.

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Old 03-18-2002, 12:42:51 PM
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We are getting a Super Walmart here in tiny Watkins Glen, NY. Not sure about the many small businesses.
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Old 03-18-2002, 12:59:52 PM
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By the way, Watkins Glen is my old home stomping grounds.

I went to school there - class of '59.

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Old 03-18-2002, 05:05:33 PM
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Hmmm.. "59" = 43yrs + 18 yrs old = ?? But of coarse you were a child prodigy Harry and came out with a 4.0 at the age of 12 or so... Thank's for a great site ! Randy... Ohio
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Old 03-18-2002, 06:33:37 PM
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"59" = 43yrs + 17 yrs old = 60
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Old 03-18-2002, 06:34:04 PM
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I debated on weighing in publically on this, and decided what the h#%%, the worst I can do is annoy someone. See if y'all can follow this logic:

Harry needs advertisers to keep the site running so all you fellows can kibitz here (and drink all you want of his cyber coffee, beer or whatever) for FREE.

To keep those advertisers, Harry has to be able to justify the cost of his ad space to them, in terms of return to them for the money spent. Counters are a start, but IMO rather unreliable, as they often can't tell when someone is "stuffing" the count, and sometimes miss a few (or a lot) An e-postcard "I saw your ad on..." is okay, but if the fellow gets a mailbox full of those with few orders, he might start to wonder what kind of people hang out here, and if his ad money could be better spent elsewhere.

So, what's the best way to help Harry keep the lights on? Order something off those advertisers, if only a catalog, or, if you can't do that, at the very least ask a few question about their products, and make SURE you mention that you saw their ad here. (most of Harry's advertisers aren't just supporting Harry because they like him, they also need something in return) Let them know their ads are being noticed, that their ADVERTISING dollars aren't being "wasted".

Dang! I done busted my soapbox agin...beginnin t' think I may need to go onna (gasp) diet
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Old 03-18-2002, 06:55:48 PM
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45 shells are cheaper at wallmart bob
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Old 03-18-2002, 07:07:27 PM
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"Fortunately, the other ads that do sell engines and engine parts are getting lots of clicks and the sellers are renewing their ads."

That's most of the reason right there Harry, Walmart doesn't sell old engine parts or it would be getting a lot of hits. If I need something from Walmart, I just drive over and get it 'cause more than likely it is something I need at that moment and I know they have it, and I'm not going to wait for something ordered that I can go get in less than 20 minutes. That's the reason I don't click on ads like that, they just don't interest me. Later.
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Old 03-18-2002, 07:43:27 PM
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I`ve looked for good prices on several things in the local Wallmart (Kitchener Ontario,Canada), but have not seen the deals the earlier response talked about.The store seamed full of deals on stuff nobody would need ,plus I heard they pay their staff poorly and it shows in their additudes. Opps ,another broken soap box,Mike B
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Old 03-18-2002, 08:14:24 PM
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Well I guess Ill add my 2 cents. I spend 7 hrs 5 day's a week scrubbing the local walmart floors. They pay so well that I am still collecting a little unemployment at the same time. If that is not bad enough the last 2 fridays I showed up for my 9pm shift and got sent home until midnight. The explanation was sales were down the preceeding week and midnight Friday started the new week. So I thanked them for not bothering to call me and went home. Sometimes our equipment will need repaired and they will say it is not in the budget. I do get a 10 % dicount on most every thing in the store. I have been told that after a while the pay will get better but I dont think I can wait. Now after all this according to Forbes mag. The list of the top 10 richest people in the world has the Name Walton in it 6 times. (Widow children and grandchildren.) So they couldnt possibly pay the help better or one or two of them might fall out of the top ten They do actually have pretty good benifits though and I had better not complain to much I have them taking a big chunk out of my check for stock.
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Old 03-18-2002, 09:28:43 PM
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Harry did not graduate with a 4.0, he had a 4.375 cause he rewired the school's abicus.
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Old 03-19-2002, 12:10:56 AM
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Before they cancelled their ad here on Smokestack, I felt real good about going there to get my PB'Blaster and oil and rags and grease and car wax and batteries and paint and sandpaper and screwdrivers and light bulbs And-And-And-And. But now I guess I don't owe them any loyalty, And The Big K could use the money. Al
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They didn't cancel the ad - I did. Maybe I should put it back?
 

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