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Old 10-08-2013, 10:00:46 AM
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Gday, I have just purchased a Southern cross farm pumper and need some help locating some parts to restore it.

I am still trying to tear it down to see exactly what I need, but at this stage it will defiitely need a new head and valves (rusted beyond repair), and the rocker gear (missing).

everything external is in prettty good shape, but the barrel may also need to be replaced (more rust). Trying to loosen the piston up at the moment

here is a photo of it on its way home


anyone know where i can get parts for this?

Paul
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:08:58 PM
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I think I have a barrel in the shed Paul,cost me $20, so that is what I would need to get back.Postage may be a killer,Norm in Bunbury WA.
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:54:46 PM
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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

I believe that this engine is either a re-badged Fuller & Johnson farm pump engine, or a close copy. You may be able to use Fuller & Johnson parts, which turn up from time to time. Getting them shipped to Australia might be expensive, though!
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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

Hello Paulwolf350,
Fairly sure Southern Cross built their own copy of F&J's for many years, so there are a few about. Rosebery also made them here and there may be other makers. The good news is that many parts will interchange.
At worst I think you could get the head re-facd and valve inserts fitted. A good shop can modify other valves or make them from blanks. You have springs and caps there. Correct springs are critical. You may find some Aussie owners with spares and advice on the TOMM forum. Worth a try. Good luck with the project. Combustor.
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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

Thanks For the replies, I found the TOMM forum last night, so will shoot an enquiry there too. The head is pretty nasty inside, it could be welded up, inserts etc but I was hoping to start with a better one.

Granted, I have only just started but the rocker gear seems to be missing on all the ones I come across, anyone know where I can get the rocker arm and pedestal?

Thanks Norm, will be on touch

Will post some more pics on the weekend

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Paul
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:30:40 AM
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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

As Combustor has mentioned many farm pumper engine parts are interchangeable. They come up on eBay a lot and there are still many sitting in sheds in parts or assembled awaiting their turn to come back to life. Have a bit of faith in the bore as these old girls are tough and made of real steel. The unfortunate thing is that parts turn up anywhere and as usual postage is a killer. Ask around at your local Vintage Engine Club as this can be a good source of parts as well as rallies. Talking to as many people as possible is another way of locating parts. I think it is a Company called Vintage Engine Spares at Loganlea Qld. 07 3200 5382. An elderly gentleman named Don Reid is the guru on these. He has helped me out with pumper parts for our Buzacott.
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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

Hi Paul,
the same head is used on the Rosebery built 2hp horizontal engines and do pop up on eBay occasionally.
A huge number of Farm Pumpers were built by Fuller & Johnson, Rosebery & Southern Cross so parts do pop up.
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Hi Paul
I have got a few pumper parts let me know exactly what you need and I will have a look .Southern cross pumpers have usually got a larger exhaust outlet than the other pumpers .
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G,day Paul
Rob is right the exhaust pipe on southern cross eng, are 1 inch . buzz, / fuller & johnsons are 3/4 pipe , also the southern cross eng, cylinders are a bit bigger in size not much I think 100 thou .
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Can someone please tell me how to find the serial number of my engine? Would like to chase down some of the history of it


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Try looking on the face of the flywheel near the timing mark

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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

AS Tim said on the flywheel RIM next to the timing mark sometimes has the word SPARK stamped on it
I can date it for you
http://www.southern-cross-register.sumpy.com/index.html
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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

Sometimes numbers are on the end of the crankshaft as it is on the Buzacott.
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Cheers guys, will have a look tomorrow and post up


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Default Re: Farm pumper - newbie help

As promised, some more pics of the pumper

This is the head


And the barrel


Barrel might come good once I get the rust off, but the entire seat is rusted away on my head. Will keep looking before I decide to repair it

Paul
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Here are some more tear down pics






Now I just need to work out how to get that bevel gear ( or the smaller crank) off and start cleaning it all up. Hopefully the top end parts I need will start to come to me


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Paul,do not try and pull that gear off it will break --- sandblast try to keep the sand out of bearing surfaces.Nothing will be achieved pulling that gear,Norm
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Thanks Norm, I thought as much. The tapered keys are hammered in flush and look like a pain to get out. I will do as you suggested

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The Southern Cross Farm Pumper were first made in December 1927 with the spoked bevel gear wheel by 1930 it was replaced with a solid one because the spoked one broke to easily
So it is an early engine
Have you found the number
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Could the serial number be stamped in the tail of the direction arrow on the flywheel?
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