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New Bovaird & Seyfang, and Questions!


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Old 05-25-2016, 08:41:38 PM
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Default New Bovaird & Seyfang, and Questions!

Hey all,

I just picked up my first oilfield engine! While i oil all the rusty parts and get a skid built for it, I have a couple questions.

I do know this engine takes a mechanical oiler. Would it have mounted on a separate bracket? there is nothing on the engine for it to bolt to. Also, what kind of oiler and how many outlets would it have?

How exactly does the governor work? there is something that looks like a governor on top of the big casting that the sideshaft goes into, but i also found photos of this engine that has a separate flyball gov:
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoind....aspx?id=15432

Also, the intake has two inlets on it, on the back side of the box facing towards the crank. It might be obvious to me once i take it apart, but what is the purpose of each inlet?

That's all i have now... more questions to come. Thanks!

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Old 05-26-2016, 06:40:27 PM
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I also am looking for an exhaust flange, rod cap, and oiler if anyone has one.

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Old 05-26-2016, 10:26:42 PM
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Default Re: New Bovaird & Seyfang, and Questions!

Wow Conrad - that is one interesting engine! I have never had the pleasure of seeing one like it before. I am sure there is a rotary flyball governor inside the housing but my question is "what does it act on"? Must be intended to govern the intake in some way, perhaps in conjunction with the strange intake box.
The sideshaft box obviously has a mount on top for an OC magneto.
Congrats on a very cool specimen! Bill Klein
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Default Re: New Bovaird & Seyfang, and Questions!

WPKlien,

When i saw you responded, I said to myself, "oh, with all the engines he brings home, he probably has a complete one and can answer all my questions!" but i guess i was wrong! that's cool that i have a unique engine though!

I looked more closely at the very top of the "governor" housing, and i barely saw "peerless" written on it, which i think is a governor maker? But i agree, what does the lever "act on"?

I do believe it takes an OC mag, which i am also looking to buy if someone has one.

I did open the rectangular cover plate below where the mag mounts, there is a big cam that operates the mag, and an interesting flyweight mechanism that acts in conjunction with two small knobs that come out of the housing. I'll take photos tomorrow.

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oops, i meant "pickering", not peerless for what's cast on the gov housing.
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Default Re: New Bovaird & Seyfang, and Questions!

I think that box has a reed valve in it. I've heard about the old style feather valve Boviards. I vaguely remember seeing one back in the early 1970's. It was in a power I stumbled across while small game hunting. Peeked in the window at the engine. Looked a LOT like this style.
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I was going to wait until i had a skid to start work on this engine, but i couldn't resist!

The intake box consists of what looks like a grill grate, with a number of steel reed valves. one of the reed valves has three springs behind it pushing up instead of two, and that seals the gas intake slot. both 1"NPT holes supply gas to the same gas inlet reed valve slot.

The rectangular cover on the mag trip reveals a large cam. there is also a flyweight that somehow acts on (possibly) some sort of a slider unit that is activated by one or both (?) of two knurled knobs, for some unknown purpose.

The pickering governor is made about 30 minutes away from where i live in portland, CT. it's belt driven off the sideshaft. It has an 1/8"NPT port on the top to accept an oiler or a feed line from the mechanical oiler.

I'm making a video series too, those will be up soon.

again, if anyone has a rod cap exhaust flange, oiler, or other parts, let me know!

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Here is a photo of the knurled knobs that attach to the hooziewhatshit.
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Sure would like to come across one like it someday! Can't wait to see some videos of the cam box in motion! Bill Klein
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Con-Rad Really enjoyed watching your youtube video. Looked like a long miserable trip through the hills of Waste Virginia. (as you called it) to get this fine engine. I did know where your missing parts where. But I'm to Dumb and ugly to remember.
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That engine looks familiar! Did you sell it to joe? I'd be interested to hear any history about it that you know, and also if you ever find the parts missing, let me know!

Also I hope no one finds offense to my "waste virginia" comment, i didn't mean it to be rude at all. It's a joke between my friend and I because in CT we call a nearby city "waste haven" instead of West Haven, because of the less-than-stellar conditions and inhabitants...

stay tuned for some upcoming videos!

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Here's my first dissasembly video:

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maybe this will work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYDR...ature=youtu.be
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Greetings, Neat engine. Keep us posted on the progress! Keep the videos coming. Enuf Said.
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Here's the governor disassembly video:

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Nice find. The valving reminds me of the Gardner convertible engine. Good luck!
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I'm trying to figure out the lubrication system here.

I know it takes a mechanical force feed lubricator, and i *think* it would be a 7-port. the cylinder takes three, crosshead guides two, and main bearings take two. however, what lubricates the big and small end of the connecting rod, and the piston rod?

The governor and cam box need oil too, but i think the cam is sump-lubricated. the governor has an 1/8"NPT fitting on top for lubrication (drip oiler? or another line from the mechanical oiler?), and the oil as it drips off lubricates the governor pulley shaft. after it drips off those, I imagine it drips down to the cam box.

Anyone have any input?

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Here's the governor disassembly video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ata2y8QirLs
Great job on the videos Connor! Bill Klein
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Thanks! Hopefully more coming soon.

Talked to some friendly and helpful people from Bradford, PA that got in touch with me thru a helpful youtube viewer of mine.

He said that the mechanical oiler oiled the three cylinder holes and one hole on top of the governor. the crank, crosshead, etc are all splash lubricated.

He also said that it was common for the drillers to bypass the pickering governor on the engine and add their own vertical flyball governor instead. I guess the stock governor and valve were finicky or did not work very well. He also said that i "would probably never find" the original gas valve that the governor operated, so if I want a governor (mostly for looks) I guess i'll be getting a flyball gov!

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