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Well, here is my newest project engine I'm picking up tomorrow. I still need to find out what brand and model of magneto this engine takes. And also the factory colors. It is a 4hp Upright Bessemer with a serial number of B816. Anyone know the approx year of mfg?
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We have a 4hp Gaso kero bessemer with a water hopper cast in one piece with the cylinder. It has a serial number a little lower than yours (but I can't remember what it is right now). Ours has a sumpter high tension magneto. I have not been able to find out any dating for these engines. Our runs real nice and slow. Ours is unrestored and is mostly a dark color maybe black at one time with what looks like some red on the battery door maybe it was a primer.
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Ryan, this sounds like the above mentioned engine. Any chance of getting any pictures?
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I have the pictures on my work computer. I will post them up tomorrow.
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ok, thank you very much
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Was this type of Bessemer a copy of the detroit 2 cycle engine?

It certainly looks similar.

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yes, has something with bessemer buying out detroit, or something along those lines.... Im still doing research, but im sure someone will step in and correct me, Or i hope they will...lol
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Here are the pictures (I hope)
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there is some resemblence, but alot of differences also... Thanks for the pictures, is there a chance i could get you to get me close up pictures of where the magneto attaches to the gearing. Mine has a gear in that spot, and i dont think that is original..

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John,

Looks like you have found the answer to what kind of magneto your engine should have. That mag looks to be original on Ryan's Bessemer. Same gear mechanics as yours I believe.

Ryan I have never seen a vertical hopper cooled Bessemer before. I seen a air cooled vertical Bessemer here a while back that was for sale on Harry's classifieds. Did you know that your engine has a attachment on it for running on natural gas? John's engine has the same attachment also. Thats it next to the air intake valve and governor arm. Very nice looking engines guy's.


Here's some info on these two cycle type engines
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In 1910 Ben J. Middleditch started manufacturing and selling a stationary two cycle engine
very similar in design to the Detroit Engine Works vertical two cycle engines. The engines brass tag was embossed with the Middleditch Engine Company name.
In 1913 Bessemer Gas Engine Co. purchased the Middleditch Engine Co. Bessemer continued producing the two cycle vertical engines into the 1920's. Benjamin J. Middleditch died May 22, 1916.

Ben J. Middleditch manufactured the first fuel reservoir and injector for Detroit Engine Works. Peterson Bros designed it and patented it.

Early made Bessemers had one piece cylinder and head, later models had two piece, cylinder and bolt on head.

More information is available on the website below
http://www.antiquengines.com/Detroit...Works_Menu.htm

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John, thanks for the info. I have always wondered why the engine had that extra little intake, now I know.
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I have a 4hp. Bessemer that my father got from the original owner. The original owner said he ordered it from Middleditch and when the engine arrived it had a Bessemer tag on it. Ill try to get some pictures later but it is kind of buried with other junk, I mean antiques right now.
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I'm in the process now of scanning and posting a complete catalog manual on the early vertical two cycle Bessemer's on my website. I have about half of the catalog posted. I will try to finish it this week. It has one page that talks about the natural gas attachment. I have two original two cycle vertical Bessemer catalogs and neither one of them show a hopper cooled or air cooled Bessemer's but we know there are a few. Catalogs show all tank cooled engines.

Steve what you said is very possible because I'm sure there was a certain amount of time it took for the transition from Middleditch Engine Co. to Bessemer Engine Co.

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Ryan, could you get the model and type, of the magneto for me, so i know what to look for. Thanks Alot for everyones help...
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From what i can see in the pictures, it is a "Type H" is this correct?
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The engine is at my fathers house so It may take me a couple of days to confirm what the magneto is. In the picture I have it looks like HLB or HUB. I have also seen them with other magnetos as well. I talked with a guy from Pennsylvania a while back who had several of these engines and had a lot of info on Bessemers. I will try to find out what other magnetos came on these engines.
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Hello JK
if you go to ebay.com.au there is a Sumpter magneto for sale over here,item no 320246516905

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Thanks for the tip, but it is only a 2 bolt mag, i need a 4 bolt.. Thanks for the tip...
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Hello JK
not sure if you saw this one,item no 320245693495
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Well, i had time to work a little on the Bessemer tonight. Got the natural gas / air intake valve body off and both valves are stuck. Wont take much to unstick them but might need to make new stems. Got the governor moving like it should and also got a closer look at that magneto gear, the gear has been added in the past. It should just be a shaft sticking out, for the magneto to join to. The gear will be removed and the correct setup re-installed. What was the original color of these engines? After carefully cleaning the valve body, there is, what appears to be red or orange paint.... Well, more work tomorrow...

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