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Surge RV-2 Vacuum Milk Pump


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Old 09-06-2017, 11:23:29 PM
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Complete new guy here.
I've got an old 40's Surge RV-2 vacuum milk pump. It's been in the cedar pole milk shed since it was first installed. A couple of weeks ago a buddy and I set the shed back into plumb and then we decided to rescue the pump from it's shelf. When I brought it down I gave the flywheel a turn by hand and it turned so easily!Hopefully the images come through for you to see.

What I'm looking for is some simple answers to a few questions. Exactly where does the oil go in? I can see the dip stick and also the drain plug, but not sure where to fill it from. (pulled the dipstick and the oil looks great). I have a lead on the correct oil.
I plan on trying to work over the electric motor and see if I can get it running. I'll renew the wires into the box attempting to not alter things too much.
I'm wondering what else I should do and in what order I should do to either or both get it running, and or restore it. I'm not planning on using it for a milking pump, although I do a bit of vacuum veneer work.
Anyone have a line on stickers from the time period or possibly remanufactured ones? In the event of a rebuild I'd like to get the correct stickers back in place. It was green originally so that's not too difficult to manage.

Generally, just some tips or advice would be super. What to do's and what NOT to do's as well.

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Old 09-08-2017, 11:41:48 PM
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The dipstick on side is also where oil goes in. If you can wait, the Exhaust. Originally on these early models the Exhaust was just a pipe with a brush in it to catch the oil & drain back into crankcase.
There are no "valves" like you would expect to see, there is a center driveshaft that turns cams over the pistons to open/close ports. This made very low pressure exchanges, so low noise & low exhaust pressure. HOWEVER if they sat to low & are forcefully turned over, stuff that rusted can break. I've sprayed some kind of lubricant in the intake&Exhaust, then turned over slowly.
There is a knob on top, hold it while slowly turning the pump... The cams will switch & it is now air compressor.
It's been awhile, I will look for my manual to show some photos & if you have any more questions.
Have fun, these were a great pump built by Sandwich for Babson Bros.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:56:26 PM
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Thats good info. Since it turned over super smooth when I just turned the flywheel bu hand maybe its all fine inside. Although the thought occurred to me that with the exhaust being sort of a return maybe I could still spray some lube down the exhaust tube and when the time comes to turn it over it might like the extra lube till the normal way of lubricating gets going. Sort of like priming the pump? I also wonder just what might have "crawled into" that pipe over the years??!! Wondering if I should try and at least remove the pipe and see. It has that short 90 at the top of the exhaust, maybe that should just be what I try and remove.
I'm afraid the knob at the top is ultra frozen with rust at the moment so no turning there.
It sure would be great if you did have some pictures to share, as I'm very curious as to the internal parts and how the go together.
I don't have a lot of time to work on it at the moment as I'm in a bit of a crunch with a dead line with other things. I can't wait to do a few things on it. Every few days I go up and spray a rust lube on the various things like nuts and other bolts I'm going to try and loosen. Probably a good thing, so it has some time to work.

Again, I completely appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:44:35 PM
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Can't find my good manual on these yet, stashed away in a box somewhere. Some of my books are safer sealed up with mothballs for long term storage.
Here is a parts breakdown of a newer piston pump in my daily service book.
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MPHmilker, that's a nice parts break down of those pumps. Mines not quite like that but not far from it I'm sure. It at least gives me an idea of what might be going on inside there!
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I found my Surge Service Manual from 1951.
Page 6&7 from section B is the last part of the "prevention service" section, which covers the Surge pump. Then I will post photos from section "C" follow the page numbers if you'd like. I assume this will take more than one reply.
Sorry if I do/say something wrong, I'm still learning this great website of his.
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The sections before are installation & service.
The sections after are..... well no section D or E, but section F, is rebuilding the pulsator.
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MPH- That's fantastic! What an effort and I really appreciate it. My pumps not the one you have from the manual, but it will most certainly apply. I'm very grateful, thanks again!
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