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Default Rider 5" help

I have a 5" Rider engine, model 1907, that is missing the cover under the firebox door (see picture). Can anyone provide a picture of what this is supposed to look like?
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mine has a gas burner hot end.
might help a little.

is this one yours?
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Yes, that's it. You can see where the missing piece goes.
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Sorry, I forgot to take the pictures of the one at R&T. I will be back there next week and will do it then.
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Yes, that's it. You can see where the missing piece goes.
pic from a 6"
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Hello, Marv,

That's it! The pic is very helpful. Any idea if there is anything attached to the back, like an ash pan?
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Hello, Marv,

That's it! The pic is very helpful. Any idea if there is anything attached to the back, like an ash pan?
on my 5", there is no ash pan attached
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Default Re: Rider 5" help

Finally got around to taking the Rider apart after a non-start at Coolspring. I basically removed the flywheel and pistons, as well as the regenerator plates.

The hot side piston was easily removed, but the cold side was much heavier and longer.
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The cold side leathers were a bit rough, but the hot side leathers were crumbling. I got some new leathers from Don Worely, and will replace them when I reassemble. I've been in the gas engine hobby for many a long year, but this is one of the dirtiest, grimiest jobs I've encountered since my early days.
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I am also going to clean up the regenerator, as well as the cylinders. The cold side had enough rust and grime at the bottom that it caused the piston to bottom out. Here are the soot covered regenerator plates. Thus one of the mysteries of the Rider engines is exposed.
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