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1921 Pierce-Arrow X5 Two Ton Truck


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Everything was stuck, but luckily the coils were good. The coil lead out wires had turned to a green powder inside the insulation so some microsurgery had to be performed.
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Excellent save on the reg!
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:14:22 PM
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Did you find another generator?
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No, nothing has turned up. I can't even find a picture of one. Just that drawing in the parts book.
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The rear end was in good shape. There were quite a few filings from the worm wheel in the bottom of the case, but it still looks decent and usable.
This shouldn't have happened. Very likely someone in the past used a modern heavy oil in the rear axle and the HP additives ate up the bronze worm. Be sure to use something like 600 steam oil and you should be alright. I can't over-emphasize this as you will destroy your rear axle if you use the wrong oil. I know from experience.

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I'm not sure what caused it, but I doubt it was the oil. The truck was parked long before those oils were available and it still had thick molasses like oil in the rear end.
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A couple of interesting things I found. The brake cross shaft was fitted with a file. Total production for the X5 was 1,130 so I imagine a lot of the parts were hand fitted.

The second picture shows the trim for the rear window. The inside of the cab was painted this bright green color, and as far as I can tell the outside was was either black or gray with a black frame and black wheels. Crazy color combo.
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I'm not sure what caused it, but I doubt it was the oil. The truck was parked long before those oils were available and it still had thick molasses like oil in the rear end.
That old 600W sticks like glue!
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Looks like Mogul green chris! )
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Got the brakes installed on one side. A piece of hardware is missing from the right side, but it is a simple block shaped piece so it will be easy to make. The outer set of shoes is the foot brake and the inner set is the hand brake.

The rear rims are the wrong width and won't wedge tightly onto the taper of the hubs. A spare rim came with the truck which I'm assuming is one of the originals as it matches the style of the fronts, and fits the hub. Pictured is the correct rim. 24 in diameter and the mounting ring are 4 1/2 inches apart measured outside to outside.
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Lowering the cab into place. It has new wood, but is going to need quite a bit of work.
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From the underside pictures, it looks like the cylinders are sleeved. Do you plan on replacing the pistons?
How about the tiny cracks in the head, will they be of concern?

A new driveshaft can probably be readily made up by one of the companies that specializes in that field.

That rear end housing is huge!
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The cylinders are not sleeved. The block and crankcase are two separate pieces, and what you are seeing in that picture is the joint between the two. The original pistons are going to be reused. There are no cracks in the head, just in the valve seats and extending into the cylinder. It is going to be sleeved and have new valve seats installed.

There is a modern spicer flange that will bolt up if I can't find an original driveshaft, but hopefully an original will turn up even if it is not the correct length.
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If you go on you-tube Jay Leno has one of his videos on a 1918 Pierce Arrow with the 6 cyl T head engine. Interesting car. Of Course, I'm an old car guy
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I thought I was going get away with only having to make a few pieces along with some trimmming here and there but it is better off to just start over. The whole thing was about 1/4 in. too narrow and the arch wasn't quite right.

I have some pictures from the early 90's of the truck in pieces. Sometime between then and now the sheet metal was cut to fit that metal grate in the back of the cab. It is supposed to have a small back window. It is just flat metal so it won't be too hard to fix.
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The inside of the cab sheet metal had not been sandblasted so there was sort of a "shadow" showing through the red paint of where the wood was originally. Working from that and the drawing in the parts book, I was able to come with something I believe is pretty close to original.
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What kind of rod do you use to weld that brown stuff?

(just kidding - cab parts look really great.) JD
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Got that brown stuff welded together.
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Got that brown stuff welded together.
I'm guessing you used a "Stick-Welder" for that.

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OK Chris . You are making that look way too easy. I've rebuilt wood framed cabs. I KNOW what you did.
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