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I went to check this truck out, what is it?


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Old 09-05-2017, 10:30:01 PM
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Default Re: I went to check this truck out, what is it?

Are my eyes really messed up or is that 2 steering wheels like a trash truck?
I have never saw 1 of those trucks until tonight. A trailer converted to a truck, who woulda thunk it? See something new every day.

That Hanks truck pictures sight reminds me of something I saw a few years back and should have took a picture of. A Ford F1000 tractor. I had no idea they made them. was in the early 60's as it had the same cab as my 66 f100 but had a raised roof on it. Weird looking.

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Old 09-05-2017, 10:37:22 PM
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FWurth, I think you found it! I just talked to the guy that owns it and I am going to see if I can find out what the tags in the cab says tomorrow.
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Old 09-05-2017, 11:19:04 PM
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Default Re: I went to check this truck out, what is it?

Here's an enlargement of your picture. The emblem is clearly an oval with a bar beneath it. Fageol and Freightliner emblems were very different.

Note 2 seats, 2 fans, 2 vent panels in front. The grille would have be a rectangle.

The other picture is of the Fageol made from the trailer. Nothing like yours. Also the Freightliner Coach was a bus.

Interested to see what you find. pinterest.com has thousands of truck pix but nothing remotely resembling this.
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Heins, you got me all fired up on this one. Was reading through the Fageol history, man those guys were into every thing related to truck and bus mfg. They patended the first twin countershaft trans ( think Roadranger) their early products had Hall Scott motors and eventually became part of the mother company. When the companies split up and had differences, sounds like the reason to have International drivelines. They were mixed up with American Car and Foundry, Brill and others at one time or another. They also had litigation against GM over their unfair trade practices in the diesel bus marketing. The history I read didn't mention the dealings with International or their venture into road tractors in the 50s or the reason or why of the disappearance of the company.

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John, go to the link provided in Wayne's post 19. It takes you to the correct model and on the Just Old Trucks web site if you dig a bit it in the What Am I from August,01, 2014 it also gives a bit of history. Second page on that post. The insignia on the front would have been the Twin Coach medallion, it some what matches the shadow on the paint in the pic.

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I checked the truck out this morning and here is a picture of one of the tags. Another tag was stamped, I could read the stamped part but not the words. I think the tag was for the drive train. It had RD 406 which I think is the engine. The speedometer and other gauges has IH in the center. I am not sure what kind of truck it is but I think it is a Fageol with IH drive train. I think it has an Eaton two speed with electric shift. The truck was originally a semi.
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Default Re: I went to check this truck out, what is it?

The RD 406 stands for Red Diamond 406. International had a whole series of Diamond engines...Silver Diamond, Black Diamond & Red Diamond, with Silver being the smallest & Red being the largest & used mostly in Over the road type truck tractors.
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The tag does reveal it's builder. It is a Twin Coach by Fageol built in Kent O. Sn 55. IHC provided the drive line. The model designation is typical with Twin Coach. Apparently they didn't build many, as to have such a low SN. The thumb nail posted here cuts off the lower tag, so I can't read the specs of the engine. Such a low production truck should be saved. I still wonder about the arrangement with IHC. and more details about the series. Also if this had some influence with IHC and their decision to build the Emeryville series tractors?

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The only real problem I see in fixing up the old girl would finding a replacement windshield set. Every thing else is intact even the key is still in the switch! With the motor under the cab floor it likely hasn't deteriorated much since it was parked and IHC parts can still be found. Must have been a class rig back in the day!

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If it has the 406 engine, then that also means that a Cummings will also fit and someone could make one heck of a toy hauler! A bit of paint and new rubber, your there!

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Did anyone notice that the place for the patent is blank? Is that maybe why so few were built? Mfg date is Jan of 55, we know from other source that they started this series in 53, not very many units for 2 years.

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Yea, that needs to be saved,if for no other reason to be parts to fix another.To rare to scrap.
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Too bad that I'm so far away, would fit nicely in my ugly truck collection.
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Default Re: I went to check this truck out, what is it?

Here is a picture of the other tag, the county clerk is trying to find the vin# for the truck to find out if it is a Fugeol.

The picture of the truck is a REO, was it part of the Fugeol family?
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Not to side track this thread too badly, but here is some interesting history about Fageol. I'm into old outboard motors and recognized the name Fageol as a 1955 -57 outboard motor. The story... Mr. Lou Fageol was serious into inboard boat racing. In 1955 he had a boating accident at 120 MPH and while in the hospital conceived of a big 4 - cycle 40 HP outboard motor using a Crosley car engine sitting up on end. In 1958 Fageol died suddenly. By 1959 the Kent ON company was sold to Crofton Manufacturing Co in Los Angeles. I don't know how all this tied into the Twin Coach business but it sure sheds light on the unusual designs of Mr. Fageol's products.

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I have had a person that works in our county clerk's office checking on the title of this truck and she thinks they went by motor #'s instead of vin #'s. She thinks the motor # 33688 is on the title and the title calls it a 1953 International and the guy bought it used in 1960. Did IH have a COE in 1953?

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I just used Wikipedia, and found several pictures of the, International Metro series trucks

It seem that that body style was used on several types of trucks, not just the van bodies

Certainly should be saved; as I don't recall seeing any, at shows.

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The story behind the Fageol Bros is very complicated indeed. Yes I read that they was into racing and boat motors. They also had something to do with the Divco delivery trucks. Similar to Kurt Baldwin, a restless innovator! IHC did offer a smaller COE truck in 36 that was very similar to the Metro series. No mention in my book as to it's ancestory. Being sold thru the IHC network they could well have been titled as Binders. Some of the info on that tag would be Wheel base, GVW for front and rear axles and possibly the HP and maybe even the IHC model designation, too bad its so faded.

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Here is a picture of the other tag, the county clerk is trying to find the vin# for the truck to find out if it is a Fugeol.

The picture of the truck is a REO, was it part of the Fugeol family?
No question about it , that cab is a close relative. I believe that REO was one of the builders that purchased the base cab/chassis from IHC at one time, later I think they bought chassis from White. As did Hendrickson. The Autocar of the period bought base cab/ chassis from White, this was a common practice of the time for builders with limited facilities and production numbers. Others that followed that practice would be Brockway, Marmon, Trend, Western Star, to name a few. Mack supplied cabs for others as well, makes it kinda difficult to prove the pedigree of some of the lesser known brands. Now did IHC actually own Twin Coach or did they just contract with them?

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One thought on Titles, every state seems to follow their own different rules. Some use the Motor SN, some the chassis SN. Here on motor homes they issue a dual title that list the chassis as to Chev or whatever then they list a separate page for the buildr of the coach. Same way with busses, the coach may be ( for example) Superior but the motor vehicle title will be Chevy or Ford etc. Now Twin Coach being a coach supplier with a coach SN but the title may well be IHC from the factory.
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You need to remember that Diamond T & Autocar as well as Freightliner & Western Star were under the White Moto umbrella. I am trying to remember when Diamond T & Reo merged.
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I think that the Trend was under that White motor group as well but they used medium duty Chrysler drive trains. I was thinking that Reo and Diamond T joined some time in the late 50s or early 60s.
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I was just thinking back to when as a teen, my neighbor and first serious employer on truck repairs. He had a pair of Hendricksons that he leased out to a local co that had a pair of Autocars. One Hendrickson had a Cummings diesel while the other had the 450 gas, I removed the gas as he was in the process of converting it to a diesel as well. We had the diesel motor ready to install when he had a change of location and hauled everything to southern Mo. Last I heard he retired and the project never went anywhere. The Autocars both had the Cummings engines and were early 60s vintage, they still exist at the old lot but all disassembled. He always referred to a tall cab over IHC he had back in the 50s, it had the sleeper bunk on top of the cab, to save on wheel base. It's nickname by the fellow drivers was the cherrypicker as you needed to climb a ladder to enter. So apparently IHC did offer more than one type coe tractor around then. Wonder who built the cab for it?
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This 1950 Fageol Cargo Liner sure had a deluxe interior!



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Did they even have a bulkhead behind the drive to keep the cargo from covering him up in the event of a panic stop? I rather doubt that operator comfort was very high on the priority list!
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You need to remember that Diamond T & Autocar as well as Freightliner & Western Star were under the White Moto umbrella. I am trying to remember when Diamond T & Reo merged.
In the early years of Frieghtliner It was a proprietary truck designed & built to order for Consolidated Freightways. In the beginning it was totally owned by them & No one else could use or own a Freightliner.....Just like the brown UPS vans still are. It was only after Consolidated Freightways went belly up in the late 60's or early 70's, I believe, That White Motor Co. acquired the rights to the name Freightliner.
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