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I went to check this truck out, what is it?


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I haven't seen this truck since I was in school in the early 60's. Another D C Freight truck.
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That's amazing, 2 of those DC units still exist! Someone was sure rough on that door! Was that a local firm? Wonder how many of those cabs were in the fleet? Around here any thing left out in the weather for more than a decade or so simply will rust into dust, especially tucks and cars. Did anyone ever find any company advertising literature on those when new, that would really be something. In some history time line of the Fageol twin coach co on Google, there is some mention of the cargo van truck and the IHC drive line. And mention is made of that line morphing into a road truck tractor. But very vague. Still looking when time allows. One thing that caught my eye was the front steering axle on that cargo van line. The front axle is basically a dual wheeled straight axle that steers on a fifth wheel set up. Has a hydraulic ram for power assist. The front bumper turns with the axle. Definitely different.

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In studying those pictures, I see that the cab doesn't tilt. Looks like the only way to pull out the motor is to slide it out through the front grille area! I have a old late 40s GMC COE 3 ton and even tho it has a small front hood that does open, it too has to slide the motor out on the front frame rails.
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I think the door was unlatched and flopped in the wind and broke the glass and bent the frame. It is wired shut with wire.

DC Freight wasn't local, I think they ran from Denver to Chicago, I'm not sure. The extra gas tanks tell me they didn't run local.

There is one more in this area, but it is rough. The farmer that had it, cut the top of the cab off for some reason, maybe so his drivers could see the combines better when they unloaded on the go.

Did you notice the license plate, the last plate is 1965.

This truck has three hinges on each door, I think the first one has two.

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Here is the tag from a 1955 IHC pickup. You can interpret the numbers on your truck's tag exactly from this.
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John H, that is about what I thought the tag says, thanks.

FWurth, if the tag on the first truck says the Chassis is "R 195", did the "R" series trucks come after the "L" series in the early 50's?
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Yesterday I went to check this truck our for a guy, what is it?
Here is a picture of the last truck.

A higher standard - Fageol

That didn't work, I found a picture of the last truck and tried to post the web site. Maybe someone can help me. I Googled "International Trucks with Fagoel cabs" and pictures of trucks came up and one of them was like the last truck.

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Your preserverence paid off. Some of our early on thoughts were somewhat correct, it was a coach builders cab on a regular truck chassis. That and it was for a specific Fleet. That Wheels of Time article answered all questions of the oddity. Yes the L series was before the R series. The R series was very popular for fleet trailer trucks in the day.This also answers why the unit was titled as a Binder, Who would have thought that a trucking company would have a bus builder recab his fleet of nearly new trucks so as to go to sleeper berth operation. That goes to show just how unique those trucks truly are. Also answers why the date discrepancy on build dates on cab ID plate. So basically only that DC fleet had them and only several dozen were ever converted thusly. Now as to that Reo unit, it surely has that same cab? Was it a DC truck cab grafted on a Reo chassis? Being it showed up in the same area? Could it also have been a DC Freight truck at one time or possibly their shop converted it from a retired IHC conversion? The article mentions that a few were converted to yard tractors late in their operational life, so it very likely is from that same fleet? Another idea comes to mind, maybe DC had other trucks in the fleet converted by Twin Coach, It really is quite the learning trip you got us into here, thanks.

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I also read where these units were in regular service well into the mid sixties and there were Cummins Diesel and tandem twin screws in the fleet with those cabs. As for those flimsy looking doors, most all trucks up to recent times have that very same issue with flimsy, floppy doors. For some reason builders took forever to design a door that would close tight and be leak proof on trucks.

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FWurth, the REO isn't in this area, a guy e mailed me the picture. I think it is in Washington state. Let's see if this works.

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BC REO checked out the blue truck in post #30 yesterday and found out the cab was built by Fageol and the cab on the truck in post #1 and the REO have consecutive ser #'s. Both cabs were built the same day and the REO cab was built after the truck's cab in post #1. The REO has an IH tag like the others and I am wondering why it is a REO. BC REO is going to post some pictures.
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That cab # almost confirms that it too was at one time part of that same fleet. Wonder if it needed a grille replaced at one time and the REO grille was available? Wonder if it also has the same engine. Did notice the change in the windshield shape, looks as some one devised a way to use common flat glass instead of the formed one. Shame these units are in such unwanted state, they would sure look cool doing some useful work!
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Hello everyone. My first post, hopefully I will not embarrasse myself. I found this truck about 10 years ago. I use to stop and look at it every so often when I drove by it. This is the truck that heins posted about. I stopped and took a real good look just recently and found it has consecutive serial number as the truck that heins originally posted about. It is about a 10 hour drive away from the heins trucks. I still can't tell if it is an reo or the owner swapped grills or just put an reo plaque on it? I'm looking to maybe restore an old cabover and this would be a good place to start. Unique sleeper cab port windows, back rectangular windows, front flat glass, rare cab and basically in good condition. The blue repaint and being under a shade tree has kept it in good shape. Thoughts?
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Welcome to Smokstak, these guys will help you figure out what the truck is, it may take all of us. Could you post the picture of just the IH tag not the Fageol tag? I think it is a little clearer. (Doug had to laugh when he read "BC REO"). Do you think the flat windshield was original.
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Looks like a prime candidate for saving. All the glass is intact and it looks complete other wise, and it's got cool written all over it! What more could a fellow want? A bit of cleaning up and a bath will make a world of difference. But that color has to go! If it were closer I would definitely be after it! I tend to think that the REO ensign was someone's idea of humor, It is a Binder same as the other one.
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At this point, I think that they ALL should be saved. They sure aren't making any more, and they sure haven't made anything worth saving in a long, LONG time... What we have now is all we'll ever have.
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Here is the IH tag. The window and frame definitely look original, all the rivets line up and are the same as the cab. If the cab tilts then the gasket over the grill makes sense but I don't think it tilts. I also attached the cab wiring picture. That looks like it could be a head scratcher.
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Tell them about the auxiliary transmission. The picture shows the two speed shifter but I can't see any wires. Could they have done away with the two speed rear end and put an auxiliary transmission in it? You will have to check it out. Do you have a picture of the gear shift lever?
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One thing I've learned about old trucks, nothing is sacred, especially wiring! Drivers and trucking co mechanics will do anything to a truck to keep it in service or to adapt it to whatever need they have. If a gear box goes out, just cobble up anything laying out back and drive it. Motor goes south, "No biggie we still have that one old joe wrecked last year, We'll just make that motor fit!" I've seen some good swaps and some that just simply defy reason. One thing about those early cabover trucks, If there's ever a wreck, your the first one there!
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Here is a picture of the center dog house with a rigged shifter handle sticking out of it. It goes to the rear where there is a another small tranny. In the other picture you can see the vertical shift lever ( where it goes horizontal, you see a grease zirc in the middle of the linkage). Definitely not stock. I have 7.3 powerstroke I could put in it if the old gasser is worn out. Now that I know where three of these trucks are, I think I could get most everything back to oem if I wanted to.
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indeed it is a Fageol. At first glance i thought it may have been a TATRA , Czech truck manufacture.
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That auxiliary transmission may be a PTO that drives off the drive line. Some of them they could put the out put shaft to the rear end in neutral and drive the PTO with any speed from the front transmission. That hole in the dog house would let a lot of heat into the cab from the engine. The little windows in the side of the cab looks like they may have been added.

After looking at the picture again, I think someone has lined the cab to make it warmer inside. The little windows may be original. I think we will find the truck is a REO.

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