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Old 09-15-2012, 11:50:41 PM
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I went to a small out of the way country store near here today, you know the type that sells everything from bait to plumbing fittings, with one or two gas pumps out front, you can even get a burger there if your hungry and not in a rush. On the way out I noticed they had a new privacy fence with a lean-to and Onan green peaking out, so I walked around the end of the building and was surprised to spot a 125.0DYD hooked up, given the place has maybe 1,500 feet of floor space and about 15 feet of cooler /freezer space even with a deep fryer and maybe an electric stove/grill their kitchen I really doubt they could put much load on that DYD, still it is nice that I know where someone is with another DYD, I may even see if they want to sell it after the next major power outage, why is it I see wetstacking in their future?

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Old 09-16-2012, 06:51:38 AM
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Better too big than too small.

Wet stacking can easily be cured on those older engines.
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:41:55 AM
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Isaac, they won't wet stack it for long. After about the 2nd day of an outage, there will be camping trailers, tents and miles of extension cords all over their parking lot.

The latest NEC revision has resulted in some ridiculously oversized sets; unless automatic load shedding is used, the set must support the entire load that could be connected. In other words, my electric dryer is 6500w, and shuts off automatically if the power "blinks"-but if I did my install today, I would have to shed that load automatically, or have a set large enough to support it and the rest of the house because someone could use the dryer during an outage. The same applies for my range, we have never used all 4 top elements and the oven at the same time, but we could so that calls for more capacity or load shedding per NEC.

My small house would require about 50kw or 6 or so stages of potentially inconvenient load shedding today. (FYI- I blame a certain maker of over-rated aircooled standby sets)

---------- Post added at 09:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:27 AM ----------

I hit the wrong key- my house would call for about 40kw.- still about 3 times the capacity of my current set.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:31:34 AM
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Wayne is correct.
The NEC is very much like NFPA in it's ideas of how things MUST be done in many cases.

They both started out to provide safety and uniformity . That went out the window long ago with common sense in many cases.

Maybe the small store got a really great deal on the ODYD.
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Ed, don't get me started on the NFPA. I have my own interpretation of that acronym.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:58:17 AM
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Default Re: Green Overkill

I feel the same way Wayne. Also have some ideas about MSDS sheets. We had to keep them on our service trucks. Took up room and made very bad toilet paper. Never read the things.
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As far as overkill goes, the bigger than needed gen set also burns way more fuel. Everyone is screaming save our planet and constant decisions are being made that counter acts that.
Don't get me started either.
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ed, don't get me started on the nfpa. I have my own interpretation of that acronym.
no fooken practical application :d
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Does the required automatic load shedding apply if you have a manually operated transfer switch? Or does that mean that appliances automatically shut off and need to be re-started manually?
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Manual switches are exempt from the load shedding requirement.
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Extension cords, extension cords, gets lots of extra cords. Luck, Ben
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The latest NEC revision has resulted in some ridiculously oversized sets; unless automatic load shedding is used, the set must support the entire load that could be connected.
Seems to me maybe someone could install the manual transfer or interlock for a FUTURE to be installed large generator. Then latter connect a more appropriate sized gen.
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