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Alternative Fuels An energy source alternative to using fossil fuels. Materials or substances that can be used as a fuel, other than conventional fuels. Waste oils, vegetable oils or animal fats, which can be used alone, or blended with fossil fuels.

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Old 01-04-2018, 09:21:19 AM
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Sad to see how many are completely out of touch with what is really happening with these wind developers. The only reason they are doing anything is for MONEY, if they would kill the PTC (Production Tax Credit) and eliminate the MANDATES these stupid state legislators have imposed, it would not be an issue. Developers refuse to accept safe setbacks and noise levels as it causes them to reduce their profits. They refuse to be required to lease all of the land needed to build them safely. The Turbines do kill a lot of birds, they Throw ICE, they Throw Fireballs (when on fire of course), and Fire departments are told to secure a perimeter roughly 4 times the tip height, which for 500 foot turbines would be 2000 feet, yet the developers want setbacks from Non participating homes at 1320 feet, apparently you have no right to expect to not be forced to live in an unsafe area next to your neighbors wind turbine.... This issue is larger than many have a clue. Our area fought for almost 2 years, now we have a good wind ordinance in place, and no turbines. 2 percent of the land owners signed leases, they have not leased enough land to comply with the regulations.
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Fire is certainly a problem... the mechanical load, electrical transmission, etc., are all unfavorable to 'things going wrong', and to keep weight down and make for aerodynamic shapes, the airfoils and nacelles are made of composites. When something goes wrong, it's inherently going to go wrong when the wind is blowing, so you've got oil, plastic, and composites swinging a hundred-something or more feet in the air, dripping hot fire everywhere below which is... you guessed... a cornfield... beanfield... or pasture.

Remember: Only YOU can prevent WildFires...

My house is surrounded by cropland. A year ago last fall, I rushed home mid-day and rammed the D17's throttle to the floor with a 4-bottom plow, and tore a 3 pass path across the edge of my back property, while my kids hosed down the lawn and trees. Why? Well, because a great big green combine harvester managed to accumulate a little bean stubble underneath a fiberglass cover near the turbocharger outlet, which set the cover on fire, which dripped down and burned through a hydraulic line and onto the battery, leaving a nice trail of drippy fire about a hundred feet behind, before erupting into a huge black cloud of burning tires and grain hopper.

Suffice to say, if it had been galvanized steel, rather than fiberglass, it would have gotten discolored a bit, and my neighbor would've had a chance to knock it out with the fire extinguisher, but galvanized steel is not longer acceptable, as it contains substances known to the State of California to cause cancer.

As if the burning fiberglass, oil, battery acid, and tires somehow don't...

But it was windy, and boy, that fire line came at us FAST... we got lucky. There were enough passes through that the fire didn't cross the 'stubble' line as fast, and of course, the debris didn't get up into the trees and roof.

I cannot imagine what would happen if a wind turbine were to rain flambe' onto a mid-fall bean-field... or worse, a residential neighborhood. How do they say it... "A single ember can travel up to a mile'.... I say a whole-lot-better than a mile if it's dripping off a blade up 300 feet...
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Old 01-25-2018, 09:27:20 PM
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Sad to see how many are completely out of touch with what is really happening with these wind developers. The only reason they are doing anything is for MONEY, if they would kill the PTC (Production Tax Credit) and eliminate the MANDATES these stupid state legislators have imposed, it would not be an issue. Developers refuse to accept safe setbacks and noise levels as it causes them to reduce their profits. They refuse to be required to lease all of the land needed to build them safely. The Turbines do kill a lot of birds, they Throw ICE, they Throw Fireballs (when on fire of course), and Fire departments are told to secure a perimeter roughly 4 times the tip height, which for 500 foot turbines would be 2000 feet, yet the developers want setbacks from Non participating homes at 1320 feet, apparently you have no right to expect to not be forced to live in an unsafe area next to your neighbors wind turbine.... This issue is larger than many have a clue. Our area fought for almost 2 years, now we have a good wind ordinance in place, and no turbines. 2 percent of the land owners signed leases, they have not leased enough land to comply with the regulations.
shiawassee county residents are fighting the wind idiots as well. they want to put 600 footers just a little over 1000ft from homes, with 40 or so proposed locations. they put a moratorium in place nearly a year ago and the wind monitor towers have went down but the company is still fighting to put them in. the company said they'd agree to 1500ft setbacks but no further as that would make it "unprofitable" because half of the proposed locations would be scrapped at 1501ft.

hope they can get a good ordinance so the whole area isn't ruined...
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