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IHC PA-80 and PA-100 Power Units


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Old 02-10-2019, 09:13:09 PM
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(2) a 38 Victor catalog lists two Wauk engines: DHS-FDB 6cyl 41/2x51/2, and DHK-FEB 6cyl 5x51/2...
So is there someone out there that is knowledgeable about early Waukesha engines? I am not...

Been doing some research on the discrepancy of the Brochure stating "This is a IHC designed engine" versus the assumption that this is really just a Waukesha motor.
Not a qreat deal of info online. A google search on "Waukesha Engine DHK-FEB" yields no information. However a search on Waukesha Engine DHK does connect...as a 6 cylinder FLATHEAD motor.

https://www.farmpartsstore.com/Wauke...-wk-so-ick.htm

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The horse's mouth on Wauk engines is the Wauk Eng Hist Soc (wehs.net); they should be able to give you the history on these...
They're all volunteer, believe all ex-Wauk enployees, always helpful, supported by Wauk, but may not reply immediately depending on inquiry load and how many coming in to handle...
It's quite possible IH designed engines but found it cheaper to farm out than set up own lines for low production number engines...
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Thanks Bud...You must have read my mind. On the few forums I found that discuss the FEB engine the opinions range from "It's an all IHC engine" to "Nope that thing is 100% Waukesha" to finally "You're both wrong it's really a Hall-Scott unit". As the information on the FEB engine online is quite sketchy at best I have contacted the Waukesha Engine Historical Society and they have started researching the relationship between International and Waukesha on the FEB and FDB engine family. Per their information International was a good customer of Waukesha Engines having purchased 170,000+ units by 1958.

Another thing that surprises me is the almost total lack of pictures of currently existing FEB engines. Below is the only one I found so far...truck must be an A8 or later AR626F as it wasn't installed in any of the D series trucks as far as I know. Note the location of the distributor on the RT side of the motor versus the LF side of the motor illustration on the Brochure. Not surprising as that distributor mounted on the end of the gear driven generator probably didn't work out the best.
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Here are the S/N lists for the PA-100 production run from the Wisconsin Historical Society website. This list starts with PAL 544...the parts book info starts at PAL 541.(See post #3) No real discrepancy here as 541, 542, and 543 may have been considered prototypes and were probably subjected to extended run times and load testing etc. It looks like the production run began in Feb. 1936 with PAL 544 and ended on Jan. 1944 with power unit PAL 2050 for a total of 1506 of these big units being produced during the 8 year span.
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Here is the serial number list for the PA-80 power units from the Wisconsin Historical Society website. There are a few more discrepancies with this list. The "821" looks suspiciously like a typo as the parts book states that PAJ 521 was the last 80 series unit manufactured in 1936. Going with the parts book info PAJ 511 to PAJ 521 were manufactured in 1936 and none were accounted for in 1937.
If the PAJ 821 on the chart was indeed correct it would help explain the use of the 333 FD 525 cu.in. engines manufactured in 1935 that the parts book accounts for. (See post #3) This however seems in conflict with the parts book info.

Quite confusing research on this one.
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